My take on water baptism...
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Its exactly what it is a work . We are not saved or reckoned as saved by the things we do.
Why do you think the question came up in John 3:25?
Its not a new testament foundation .Its used in the new but the foundation is in the old under the Leviticus law .It applies today if a person has a desire to become a member of the priesthood .No outward sign to confirm a person is a believer. Again no such thing as sign gift in that way .I did it that confirms.
Why do you think the question came up in John 3:25?
Its not a new testament foundation .Its used in the new but the foundation is in the old under the Leviticus law .It applies today if a person has a desire to become a member of the priesthood .No outward sign to confirm a person is a believer. Again no such thing as sign gift in that way .I did it that confirms.
There's no gaslighting here. You don't just say I disagree or I believe different. You say I'm a false teacher. Others on here and maybe you too say I have a devil and attack me personally. Some say I'm a heretic. The only thing I have not yet been called here is a bastard child. Yeah that's Pharisees style stuff.
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ok admit it you just dont wanna get wet. Maybe its hydrophobia or something. If Jesus got dunked in the Jordan even though John the baptist wasnt that keen on baptising him, whats to stop us?
I propose everyone brings water bombs to church on Sunday. Even the newly converted eunuch was saying heres water, can any man forbid baptism? He already had the holy spirit. see acts 10:47
I propose everyone brings water bombs to church on Sunday. Even the newly converted eunuch was saying heres water, can any man forbid baptism? He already had the holy spirit. see acts 10:47
But His disciples did, as the same verse tells you. Not sure what your point was, but Christ would baptize with the Holy Ghost, not with water. And that could not happen until He had ascended on high and poured out the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost.
It is significant that when Peter preached the Gospel on that day, he made it clear that anyone who repented and believed must be baptized immediately. Thus those 3,000 people who were saved were also baptized by immersion the same day. And that was the apostolic pattern throughout the book of Acts. Again when Peter preached the Gospel in the household of Cornelius, those who received the baptism WITH the Holy Ghost (indeed all who believed) were baptized immediately. In fact Peter COMMANDED that they be baptized, and he was simply following the commandment of the Lord (Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:15,16).
The commandment for believers to be baptized has never been rescinded, but Peterlag (who started this thread) is now trying to promote that false teaching. There are also many Hyper- or Ultra-Dispensationalists who claim that Christian baptism is no longer necessary, since Spirit baptism is all that is required. But that is FALSE DOCTRINE.
Water baptism is not an option, but a commandment. It does not wash away sins, but it produces a good conscience toward God. That the believer has immediately obeyed Christ, and this is his or her first act of obedience. There is of course, much more to believer's baptism as taught by Paul.
It is significant that when Peter preached the Gospel on that day, he made it clear that anyone who repented and believed must be baptized immediately. Thus those 3,000 people who were saved were also baptized by immersion the same day. And that was the apostolic pattern throughout the book of Acts. Again when Peter preached the Gospel in the household of Cornelius, those who received the baptism WITH the Holy Ghost (indeed all who believed) were baptized immediately. In fact Peter COMMANDED that they be baptized, and he was simply following the commandment of the Lord (Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:15,16).
The commandment for believers to be baptized has never been rescinded, but Peterlag (who started this thread) is now trying to promote that false teaching. There are also many Hyper- or Ultra-Dispensationalists who claim that Christian baptism is no longer necessary, since Spirit baptism is all that is required. But that is FALSE DOCTRINE.
Water baptism is not an option, but a commandment. It does not wash away sins, but it produces a good conscience toward God. That the believer has immediately obeyed Christ, and this is his or her first act of obedience. There is of course, much more to believer's baptism as taught by Paul.
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I'm not sure what your point is but salvation means total obedience to Christ. And since water baptism is His commandment, it must be obeyed accordingly. So if a person refuses or rejects Christian baptism, it is more than likely that he or she is not even saved. No one in the book of Acts ever refused to be baptized.
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Baptism is definitely a public way of saying that you stand for Christ. And if you publicly stand for Christ then He said He will privately stand for you before the Father.
But also, baptism signifies the way Gods People were delivered from Egypt, from slavery. They walked through the Red Sea. Our baptism in water signifies our spiritual deliverance from Egypt and slavery to sin.
This water baptism doesn't have the actual power to deliver us from our slavery to sin, but it is our own public proclamation that this has happened, is happening, or our desire for it to happen.
But also, baptism signifies the way Gods People were delivered from Egypt, from slavery. They walked through the Red Sea. Our baptism in water signifies our spiritual deliverance from Egypt and slavery to sin.
This water baptism doesn't have the actual power to deliver us from our slavery to sin, but it is our own public proclamation that this has happened, is happening, or our desire for it to happen.
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yes -- my point was to garee, who had remarked about this person from Judah baptizing, what does it mean?
because it wasn't Christ who was immersing anyone in water.
i think garee's point was that to the Jews, immersion in water was associated with ritual cleaning, so, associated with the priesthood, by extension Levi -- so to have someone doing this who was not of Levi may have been a strange thing to the Jews, even offensive.
i'm not sure whether it's only Levites who immersed people -- or only Levites who were immersed. would have to look that up..? but as you point out, that the disciples were baptizing, would equally well serve garee's remark, because they were not Levite either.
there is certainly a thread of the new covenant & new priesthood running through this topic, to be followed. i didn't mean to discount completely garee's observation, just to point out Christ wasn't doing the baptizing with H2O -- His kingdom, and His priesthood, is a spiritual one, and He baptizes with spirit & fire
because it wasn't Christ who was immersing anyone in water.
i think garee's point was that to the Jews, immersion in water was associated with ritual cleaning, so, associated with the priesthood, by extension Levi -- so to have someone doing this who was not of Levi may have been a strange thing to the Jews, even offensive.
i'm not sure whether it's only Levites who immersed people -- or only Levites who were immersed. would have to look that up..? but as you point out, that the disciples were baptizing, would equally well serve garee's remark, because they were not Levite either.
there is certainly a thread of the new covenant & new priesthood running through this topic, to be followed. i didn't mean to discount completely garee's observation, just to point out Christ wasn't doing the baptizing with H2O -- His kingdom, and His priesthood, is a spiritual one, and He baptizes with spirit & fire