Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot
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Paul understands the context to be, is God unjust? certainly not - He will have mercy on whom He will: therefore it is not by will, by effort, but by God who has mercy. then Paul points at Pharaoh as a specific example of an individual person who illustrates what he is trying to tell us.
Paul understands the obvious objection someone will bring up from this point to be 'how can God judge, since no one can resist His will?'
that objection arises because of a specific, clear interpretation of what Paul is saying. if Paul is not speaking about sovereign election, that objection he anticipates and cuts off with "who are you o man to answer back to God?" makes no sense.
Pharaoh is an individual. remember, too, that Pharaoh's officials were all pleading with him to let the Israelites leave. but it was Pharaoh - an individual - who, being hardened by God, kept them, until all that God had ordained took place - so that all Egypt would know He is the LORD.
if this is, as many say, only about 'national' hardening and mercy, 'corporate generic election' -- it is hard for me to understand why we have specific individual people like Pharaoh, Jacob & Esau used as examples to illustrate it.
Paul understands the obvious objection someone will bring up from this point to be 'how can God judge, since no one can resist His will?'
that objection arises because of a specific, clear interpretation of what Paul is saying. if Paul is not speaking about sovereign election, that objection he anticipates and cuts off with "who are you o man to answer back to God?" makes no sense.
Pharaoh is an individual. remember, too, that Pharaoh's officials were all pleading with him to let the Israelites leave. but it was Pharaoh - an individual - who, being hardened by God, kept them, until all that God had ordained took place - so that all Egypt would know He is the LORD.
if this is, as many say, only about 'national' hardening and mercy, 'corporate generic election' -- it is hard for me to understand why we have specific individual people like Pharaoh, Jacob & Esau used as examples to illustrate it.
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You will have some great confos with him when you arrive in heaven 
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He gave it to those "who were born" of God John 1:13, which is why they received and believed.
The above quoted position? Partly God's glory, man-centered, dependent upon man "doing." This is contrary to John 6:63 and to biblical meteorology.
The Biblical position labeled Calvinism? Exegetical, contextual, all God's glory, not dependent upon man "doing", i.e. Soli Deo Gloria!
In other words man didn't receive and believe, and, due to that become born again, they received and believed because they were born from above, regenerated, quickened &c as studying other texts shed light on this fact ; 1 Peter 1:1-2; Ephesians 2:1-3; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; Luke 23:32-43; 1 Peter 1:3; James 1:18.
That said, John 1:13 qualifies the why of the persons receiving in the preceding text as being due to the fact they were first born of God, showing it was, is, and always is to Gods glory alone, that the only reason man believes or receives is due to the work of God in regeneration and rebirth.
The above quoted position? Partly God's glory, man-centered, dependent upon man "doing." This is contrary to John 6:63 and to biblical meteorology.
The Biblical position labeled Calvinism? Exegetical, contextual, all God's glory, not dependent upon man "doing", i.e. Soli Deo Gloria!
In other words man didn't receive and believe, and, due to that become born again, they received and believed because they were born from above, regenerated, quickened &c as studying other texts shed light on this fact ; 1 Peter 1:1-2; Ephesians 2:1-3; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; Luke 23:32-43; 1 Peter 1:3; James 1:18.
That said, John 1:13 qualifies the why of the persons receiving in the preceding text as being due to the fact they were first born of God, showing it was, is, and always is to Gods glory alone, that the only reason man believes or receives is due to the work of God in regeneration and rebirth.
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You could have added "...of the worst sort". Whenever the true Gospel of God is perverted, it is an extremely serious error. And that is plain from this passage:
GALATIANS 1: THERE IS A CURSE ON ANY OTHER GOSPEL AND ITS PREACHERS
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Calvinists pervert the Gospel and trouble other Christians by making some wonder whether on not they were elected for salvation or damnation. If any gospel teaches that men are elected for damnation, it is indeed from the pit of Hell.
As I have shown in other posts when John Calvin had to actually do an exposition of Bible verses, he had no choice but to present the truth. In spite of that he perverted the Gospel (or perhaps his followers deliberately perverted Calvin's theology).
GALATIANS 1: THERE IS A CURSE ON ANY OTHER GOSPEL AND ITS PREACHERS
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Calvinists pervert the Gospel and trouble other Christians by making some wonder whether on not they were elected for salvation or damnation. If any gospel teaches that men are elected for damnation, it is indeed from the pit of Hell.
As I have shown in other posts when John Calvin had to actually do an exposition of Bible verses, he had no choice but to present the truth. In spite of that he perverted the Gospel (or perhaps his followers deliberately perverted Calvin's theology).
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Lot's of straw man and emotional pleas up above. Thinking biblical people can see past that, those who live and react emotionally, as many on here do, will buy it up. Rationally biblical people will recognise the above is irrational, has some falsities, and isn't biblically accurate.
First, we believe salvation is only by grace, through faith, and by Christ alone, excluding any works, and that the Gospel is the life, death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
That is not an accursed gospel.
Secondly, any person teaching and knowing that Biblically God passes over some, not showing them mercy, is not adding to the Gospel at all. It is a biblical doctrine that is not part of the Gospel message we preach. It is the meat of the word, however, and a solemn truth to consider in light of the Gospel message.
For the record, the Gospel I preach is the historic Gospel of Orthodox Christianity. It gives all glory to God, salvation being all Him, all due to His glory, that he according to his purpose, counsel and will elects unto salvation whom He wills. Ephesians 1; 1 Thessalonians 1:4, James 1:18; Romans 9:11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13 and many other passages teach this truth.
Therefore, the curse you've attempted to place on us, taking Galatians out of context is misplaced. It isn't on me no matter how badly you wish it to be.
This may "only be a forum", yet you will give an account for your words here in an attempt to sow discord, division, along with a misplaced attempt to place a curse on many who believe the Biblical Gospel. In the past you've called Reformed folks lost, you're doing so yet again. Not that it concerns my souls security, but the shamelessness of your words ought really become shameful to you.
Onto some other biblical truths.
Scripture is clear, only the elect are saved. Election is in the will and purpose of God, pictured in how He chose Israel, Abram and many others throughout Scripture. Note Deuteronomy 7:7; Genesis 12&c.
All true believers are elect, that is, that God chose them based upon nothing they've done, but only by grace. Note 1 Corinthians 1:26-31.
Once you and others lose your scare tactics of wondering if you're elect, or making it into something to be feared because of the false decisional regeneration you preach, and accept Scripture you'd do yourself a huge favor. That you still fail to see that being saved and elect are the same you'll continue your callow tirades of unfamiliarity.
Knowing God chose us is a great comfort, it is completely biblical. Taking more comfort in man, thinking man chose flies not only in the face of Scripture, but God himself whom we should take greater comfort in knowing He chose us.
Lastly God does pass over some, not showing them mercy. The man in Romans 9:19-20 reflects these persons. That is God's right to exercise His justice at will, and I will in now way challenge him on that as the man in the passage above has.
Now, point me to where you posted the following:
First, we believe salvation is only by grace, through faith, and by Christ alone, excluding any works, and that the Gospel is the life, death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
That is not an accursed gospel.
Secondly, any person teaching and knowing that Biblically God passes over some, not showing them mercy, is not adding to the Gospel at all. It is a biblical doctrine that is not part of the Gospel message we preach. It is the meat of the word, however, and a solemn truth to consider in light of the Gospel message.
For the record, the Gospel I preach is the historic Gospel of Orthodox Christianity. It gives all glory to God, salvation being all Him, all due to His glory, that he according to his purpose, counsel and will elects unto salvation whom He wills. Ephesians 1; 1 Thessalonians 1:4, James 1:18; Romans 9:11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13 and many other passages teach this truth.
Therefore, the curse you've attempted to place on us, taking Galatians out of context is misplaced. It isn't on me no matter how badly you wish it to be.
This may "only be a forum", yet you will give an account for your words here in an attempt to sow discord, division, along with a misplaced attempt to place a curse on many who believe the Biblical Gospel. In the past you've called Reformed folks lost, you're doing so yet again. Not that it concerns my souls security, but the shamelessness of your words ought really become shameful to you.
Onto some other biblical truths.
Scripture is clear, only the elect are saved. Election is in the will and purpose of God, pictured in how He chose Israel, Abram and many others throughout Scripture. Note Deuteronomy 7:7; Genesis 12&c.
All true believers are elect, that is, that God chose them based upon nothing they've done, but only by grace. Note 1 Corinthians 1:26-31.
Once you and others lose your scare tactics of wondering if you're elect, or making it into something to be feared because of the false decisional regeneration you preach, and accept Scripture you'd do yourself a huge favor. That you still fail to see that being saved and elect are the same you'll continue your callow tirades of unfamiliarity.
Knowing God chose us is a great comfort, it is completely biblical. Taking more comfort in man, thinking man chose flies not only in the face of Scripture, but God himself whom we should take greater comfort in knowing He chose us.
Lastly God does pass over some, not showing them mercy. The man in Romans 9:19-20 reflects these persons. That is God's right to exercise His justice at will, and I will in now way challenge him on that as the man in the passage above has.
Now, point me to where you posted the following:
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Ugh... as if the pot needs stirring... what's the pint? Calvinists normally don't consider anything contrary said to them anyways.
Read Dave Hunt's book 'What Love Is This?' ...
if you truly want real answers that is.
Otherwise, the Bible tells us not to strive to debate, but to endeavour to live peaceably with all men so far as it is possible.
Read Dave Hunt's book 'What Love Is This?' ...
if you truly want real answers that is.
Otherwise, the Bible tells us not to strive to debate, but to endeavour to live peaceably with all men so far as it is possible.
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