Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

[EleventhHour]

Oh my.....

And then they get defensive when we state Calvinism is from the pit of Hell.

 

[PennEd]

You mean these people?

John 17 For I have given to them the Words You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.

Sure. Why not.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

My will sucks! My will wants to sin. I want God’s Will. It’s one of the primary points we ask God for in the Lord’s Prayer.

I can repeat the order of events to how I became born again. But I can assure you they haven’t changed.

Yep it does.

thats why your Will would never chose god

but you can receive him. After he brings you to his truth like he did all his disciples, yet many hearing that same truth did not recieve him, because they were looking for king messiah, not savior messiah (they did not think they needed and eternal savior, they thought they were ok with god because they followed the law )

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Sure. Why not.

But as many as have received him, the THEM he gave the power

who did he give the power of adoption or new birth too?

 

[PennEd]

I never implied they are adversaries so not sure where that came from, although on here some are such by their own choice, not mine.

I know you haven’t, but it’s very easy to get caught up in the debate and forget that it’s the Gospel that binds us and not this issue.

 

[PennEd]

But as many as have received him, the THEM he gave the power

who did he give the power of adoption or new birth too?

We’re going in circles now. Those that believe are saved BECAUSE of the faith they were gifted.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I know you haven’t, but it’s very easy to get caught up in the debate and forget that it’s the Gospel that binds is and not this issue.

You do realise when one claims another is trying to earn salvation, and preaches easy believism they are claiming that person not saved, and in essence and advirsary

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We’re going in circles now. Those that believe are saved BECAUSE of the faith they were gifted.

That verse says they were saved because they recieved him even to those who believe. Faith was an afterthought in that passage

that takes free will. It also takes true repentance. There is not faith apart from repentance, that would be called easy believism

you recieve or you reject, believe or do not believe

 

[preacher4truth]

My will sucks! My will wants to sin. I want God’s Will. It’s one of the primary points we ask God for in the Lord’s Prayer.

I can repeat the order of events to how I became born again. But I can assure you they haven’t changed.

What's odd is he has denied he chose God (when he claimed he has contrary to his denial) let alone choose him in our own free will, now he is establishing it and challenging whether or nit you chose God in your free will, showing yet again he believes we choose God while denying it. This is almost unbelievable until I remind myself of who is saying it!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We’re going in circles now. Those that believe are saved BECAUSE of the faith they were gifted.

I a, just trying to show you what I believe bro

the faith I have was based on gods work

apart. From all of gods work, I could never receive him in faith, that’s the gift.

 

[PennEd]

You do realise when one claims another is trying to earn salvation, and preaches easy believism they are claiming that person not saved, and in essence and advirsary

Cmon guy. Your hands are hardly clean. You just liked a post that said what he believes is from the pit of hell

That’s at least as bad as what you claim he’s saying.
No?

 

[EleventhHour]

They'll just say they are nations to avoid seeing that God hates an individual, because, you know, it is more comfy believing God hates an entire NATION of people than just one guy. It helps them sleep better at night knowing it's a whole bunch of individuals, not just one.

Jesus Christ Lord and Saviour .... filled with GRACE and TRUTH

Jesus WEPT

Father forgive them for they know not what they do.

 

[EleventhHour]

Cmon guy. Your hands are hardly clean. You just liked a post that said what he believes is from the pit of hell

That’s at least as bad as what you claim he’s saying.
No?

God hates those who are not saved, you believe that?

 

[PennEd]

God hates those that are not saved, you believe that?

I believe you are putting words in people’s mouths and assigning motives, making accusations, and drawing conclusions on things not said.

I don’t think what you’re doing is right or Christlike.

 

[preacher4truth]

I know you haven’t, but it’s very easy to get caught up in the debate and forget that it’s the Gospel that binds us and not this issue.

I don't know about that brother. Obviously they teach they were chosen because God saw what they would do, so, because they did that God decided to save them for that reason. Not so sure that's a biblical Gospel. It is merit, not grace.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Cmon guy. Your hands are hardly clean. You just liked a post that said what he believes is from the pit of hell

That’s at least as bad as what you claim he’s saying.
No?

No, I liked a post that said they get angry when anyone claims their believe is from the pits of hell.

which is true, they get angry when anyone apposed them no matter what they say

And then they get defensive when we state Calvinism is from the pit of Hell.

and what I did was once again prove he is a liar, he claimed he has not called us an ad irsary when in reality he does every time he claims what I stated,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God hates those who are not saved, you believe that?

I have never heard him say this

calvinists believe this, he is not a calvinist

 

[John146]

My will sucks! My will wants to sin. I want God’s Will. It’s one of the primary points we ask God for in the Lord’s Prayer.

I can repeat the order of events to how I became born again. But I can assure you they haven’t changed.

Go back and read Romans 7. Are you sure it’s your will or your flesh that you battle?

 

[EleventhHour]

I believe you are putting words in people’s mouths and assigning motives, making accusations, and drawing conclusions on things not said.

I don’t think what you’re doing is right or Christlike.

They'll just say they are nations to avoid seeing that God hates an individual, because, you know, it is more comfy believing God hates an entire NATION of people than just one guy. It helps them sleep better at night knowing it's a whole bunch of individuals, not just one.

Seems clear to me and answer the question, does God hate the un-redeemed, you do realize that is belief of many who ascribe to Calvinism?

 

[PennEd]

What's odd is he has denied he chose God (when he claimed he has contrary to his denial) let alone choose him in our own free will, now he is establishing it and challenging whether or nit you chose God in your free will, showing yet again he believes we choose God while denying it. This is almost unbelievable until I remind myself of who is saying it!

I just think we can give the truth in love. That’s how people are won to an issue. If someone is maligning someone else’s position, it will eventually come out.