Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

[oyster67]

So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy

And He died for everybody. Ignorant man is going to eat his bologna sandwich now.

 

[Magenta]

Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

What if He didn't? And/or, has the New Covenant in Christ's blood not change anything?

 

[NOV25]

This is how Paul answered your very question: What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

And He died for everybody. Ignorant man is going to eat his bologna sandwich now.

Oh the irony.

 

[lenna]

If the element of choice is removed, why are any held responsible for the choice/s they make?

If the unregenerated are specifically made not to choose God, why would He then punish
them forever after for failing to make a choice that was never given to them in the first place?

We get mocked for posing this question

But truly, such a position as "no choice" makes a mockery of God's mercy, justice, and love.

Right. I refer to those poor unfortunates as 'log people' fodder for the fire

Consistently and without any sort of acknowledgement, Calvinists will skip over the fact that God states He did not make the lake of fire for people. Doesn't seem to bother the furnace stokers one little bit. Just throw another log on the fire.

 

[lenna]

This is how Paul answered your very question: What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

nah. That is just you (and others of course) taking a verse out of context, swishing the meaning through textbook Calvinism (oh wait there is really no such thing, oh well too late to change it now) and presenting it on a dirty T shirt.

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[NOV25]

Right. I refer to those poor unfortunates as 'log people' fodder for the fire

Consistently and without any sort of acknowledgement, Calvinists will skip over the fact that God states He did not make the lake of fire for people. Doesn't seem to bother the furnace stokers one little bit. Just throw another log on the fire.

Are you claiming that people don’t go to hell?

 

[lenna]

My point is no one states they wills themselves into salvation. That would be like saying we will ourselves to fly.

How about you represent the not Calvinist view correctly?

If I had a beachfront lot for every time I have pointed that out, I would trade the beachfronts for a well insulated generously proportioned lakefront cabin with vaulted ceilings and a fireplace made of stone.

Hyper Calvinism does take things further than regular Calvinsim. Will you have your extra Calvinism or would you like the decaf?

 

[lenna]

Are you claiming that people don’t go to hell?

What is your IQ? I don't think anyone here on either side, dumb enough to think you are asking a sincere question here.

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[NOV25]

What is your IQ? I don't think anyone here on either side, dumb enough to think you are asking a sincere question here.

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You didn’t answer the question.

 

[lenna]

You didn’t answer the question.

That's what I thought. You were more entertaining when you had us looking at the funny pictures.

Tell you what, show me where I said I don't think people go to hell and I will send you a new coloring book.

 

[Magenta]

Are you claiming that people don’t go to hell?

I do not see that claim... because it is not there.

Besides which, hell and the lake of fire are not the same things.

 

[NOV25]

@lenna what’s your belief on the doctrine of hell?

 

[Magenta]

@lenna what’s your belief on the doctrine of hell?

Tell us what you mean by "the doctrine of hell."

 

[lenna]

@lenna what’s your belief on the doctrine of hell?

Consistently and without any sort of acknowledgement, Calvinists will skip over the fact that God states He did not make the lake of fire for people.

This, ^^^^^^^^^^^ has no indication I or anyone said people do not go to hell.

Bonus feature: Find the post where I said specifically that people will go to hell and I will still send you a coloring book!

But wait! For just one more question, you will also receive a box of 12 crayons to secure your talent in that coloring book.

Here is that bonus question: (tik tok tik tok etc) why are you trying to ensnare people with your shtick?

Disclaimer: no brain cells were lost creating this post

 

[EleventhHour]

If I had a beachfront lot for every time I have pointed that out, I would trade the beachfronts for a well insulated generously proportioned lakefront cabin with vaulted ceilings and a fireplace made of stone.

Hyper Calvinism does take things further than regular Calvinsim. Will you have your extra Calvinism or would you like the decaf?

I'll just have a nice Cappuccino thanks.....

I'll skip both the "Calvinism on Steroids" and the "Calvinism for Dieters"

 

[NOV25]

A place created for the devil and the fallen angles where unbelievers will also spend eternity, a conscience, physical, eternal punishment.

 

[Ahwatukee]

If the element of choice is removed, why are any held responsible for the choice/s they make?

If the unregenerated are specifically made not to choose God, why would He then punish
them forever after for failing to make a choice that was never given to them in the first place?

We get mocked for posing this question

But truly, such a position as "no choice" makes a mockery of God's mercy, justice, and love.

Hi Magenta!

The answer is, because all of have sinned which leads to condemnation. God, according to His love, grace and mercy, chose to save some from the human race to inherit eternal life throughout all of history, which He foreknew, predestined, called, justified and glorified. Their names were written in the book of life before the world began and there were those whose names were not written in His book before the world began. Is God being unfair because of this? No! Because everyone is guilty of sin and are therefore worthy of condemnation.

""The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come." - Rev.17:8

Therefore, those who were chosen to be saved before the world began, was according to God's Sovereign will and not by man's choice. If I'm standing out on the corner handing out $20 bills, but only to those whom I choose, am I being unfair to the other people? No! Because it's my money, it's not owed to any of them and none of them is entitled to it, not even the ones that I'm giving it to and I can give to whomever I want.

No one is entitled to salvation! Not even those who are being saved. As Paul stated regarding this very issue, "God has mercy upon whom He has mercy and hardens whomever He hardens."

If God decided from the beginning not to save anyone, He still wouldn't be unfair, because once again, no one is entitled to be saved. Simply stated, the people that God did not chose to be save, are getting what they naturally deserve because of their sins.

Jesus said, "No man comes to the Son except the Father draws him." This infers that the Father does not draw everyone. Consider the followings scriptures:

"When the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord, and all who were appointed for eternal life believed. And the word of the Lord spread throughout that region." - Acts 13:48

"To you who believe, then, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, “The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,” and “A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they disobey the word—and to this they were appointed. - 1 Peter 2:8

"Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

Their salvation was predetermined

Paul speaks about this when He says, "Before either of the twins were born (Esau and Jacob), before they had done anything bad or good, God said, 'Jacob I have loved, but Esau I hated.'

Again Paul uses Pharaoh as an example:

"So then, it does not depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” Therefore God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden."

God is in charge of who is being saved and that by His grace. Our part is faith.

 

[lenna]

Tell us what you mean by "the doctrine of hell."

He might mean the hell of Calvinists denying what they say while rapidly trying to change scripture to fit their doctrine.

It's gotta be tiresome

 

[NOV25]

Consistently and without any sort of acknowledgement, Calvinists will skip over the fact that God states He did not make the lake of fire for people.

This, ^^^^^^^^^^^ has no indication I or anyone said people do not go to hell.

Bonus feature: Find the post where I said specifically that people will go to hell and I will still send you a coloring book!

But wait! For just one more question, you will also receive a box of 12 crayons to secure your talent in that coloring book.

Here is that bonus question: (tik tok tik tok etc) why are you trying to ensnare people with your shtick?

Disclaimer: no brain cells were lost creating this post

Simply asked you to clarify, seems like you’re the one trying to enrage and ensnare. You just drink a bunch of coffee or are you always this insane?

 

[lenna]

I'll just have a nice Cappuccino thanks.....

I'll skip both the "Calvinism on Steroids" and the "Calvinism for Dieters"

and this looks good too

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