It must be another case of not reading fully what the person said but instead react prematurely and type out a response in unfamiliarity and haste?
Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot
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I don’t remember saying anything about free will Gospel.
You know, my son came across some hard core Calvinists at his school. These guys were actually only interested in finding other elect.
Don’t you think we should be preaching the Gospel to every person?
I do have a hunger for the things of God since my John 3 experience, so much so it would seem I know more about what you believe than you do
Winner of Amusing Post Of The Day award.
The difference is, omniscience does not equate to making people specifically
for one end or another, which in essence removes the element of choice.
Jesus is drawing all men to Himself.
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I do have a hunger for the things of God since my John 3 experience, so much so it would seem I know more about what you believe than you do
Of course... that goes without saying really .. we have been told how theologically inept we are.
Good morning, kind sir 
This is not a riddle for me. Is it a riddle for you? God's omniscience does not exclude or prevent free will in any way.
You mentioned predestination and free will and that has everything to do with gospel conversion. That's what this has been about so not sure what you're after? We have been talking in the context of the gospel this entire time.
I don't know why you're seemingly likening me to the Calvinists your son ran into, nor how you've arrived at whether or not I believe we are to preach the gospel to everyone, or if I believe in doing so. How exactly did these Calvinists know who the elect are? Sounds a bit outlandish to me.
I've always believed we do not know who the elect are, but God does, and that we are to preach to everyone, using 2 Timothy 2:8-10 as my text.
Not sure how I got lumped into your scenario above, I can't see anything I stated that leads to such an illustration. Seems non sequitur to me.
My point is man is not saved via his will so I don't see free will as valid biblically.
If the element of choice is removed, why are any held responsible for the choice/s they make?
If the unregenerated are specifically made not to choose God, why would He then punish
them forever after for failing to make a choice that was never given to them in the first place?
We get mocked for posing this question
But truly, such a position as "no choice" makes a mockery of God's mercy, justice, and love.
If the unregenerated are specifically made not to choose God, why would He then punish
them forever after for failing to make a choice that was never given to them in the first place?
We get mocked for posing this question
But truly, such a position as "no choice" makes a mockery of God's mercy, justice, and love.
This is how Paul answered your very question: What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.If the element of choice is removed, why are any held responsible for the choice/s they make?
If the unregenerated are specifically made not to choose God, why would He then punish
them forever after for failing to make a choice that was never given to them in the first place?
We get mocked for posing this question
But truly, such a position as "no choice" makes a mockery of God's mercy, justice, and love.
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EleventhHour
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My point is no one states they wills themselves into salvation. That would be like saying we will ourselves to fly.
How about you represent the not Calvinist view correctly?
Basing doctrine on a question... God ordained from before the foundation of the world that those who believe and have faith in the shed righteous blood of His Son would not suffer the second death. God is merciful to all, but in the final analysis, it does come down to whether or not we accept what God offers us. Jesus is drawing all men to Himself. Pride is the culprit/obstacle, right from the get-go in Eden.
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EleventhHour
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You know I could take the time and effort to show why this does not support the question.
We all know this is your go to verse.
Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,If the element of choice is removed, why are any held responsible for the choice/s they make?
If the unregenerated are specifically made not to choose God, why would He then punish
them forever after for failing to make a choice that was never given to them in the first place?
We get mocked for posing this question
But truly, such a position as "no choice" makes a mockery of God's mercy, justice, and love.
E
EleventhHour
Guest
If the element of choice is removed, why are any held responsible for the choice/s they make?
If the unregenerated are specifically made not to choose God, why would He then punish
them forever after for failing to make a choice that was never given to them in the first place?
We get mocked for posing this question
But truly, such a position as "no choice" makes a mockery of God's mercy, justice, and love.
Do you kinda feel like you are talking to a
right about now?
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