This Corona virus pandemic could be the weapon that takes our liberties away , all in the name of saving lives?
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Don't take this offensive but when this comes to your town and actually happens to your family(I hope it don't) your going to wish you could go back and edit some of this. I understand that if you live where this is not yet out of control you might have doubts about it but in reality a lot of what is taking place in Houston isn't on the news yet.
You don't want to catch this. You don't want this in you town. It really is killing people right now. My children are standing in those lines watching people try to get in the ER with heart attacks,car wrecks ect. who never make it. You are correct about things not being covered by the media there trying to keep you all from panicking and not going to work and paying taxes and are not covering the horror movie Houston is living right now.
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You are correct to be suspicious of government.
The info I got was when it mutates it loses power.
No doubt they want us to believe it gains power when it mutates.
It is all about scare tactics.
We are SUPPOSED TO BE scared.
All we are doing by "quarantining/ distancing is making the virus come and go.
The herd immunity thingy is the answer.
We could have gotten past it long ago.
We are being duped.
We are to believe that a vaccine will be some magic bullet.
The magic bullet will let us worship and gather.
It will bring us back to normal
It is our answer to becoming sane again.
You are correct to be suspicious of government.
The info I got was when it mutates it loses power.
No doubt they want us to believe it gains power when it mutates.
It is all about scare tactics.
We are SUPPOSED TO BE scared.
All we are doing by "quarantining/ distancing is making the virus come and go.
The herd immunity thingy is the answer.
We could have gotten past it long ago.
We are being duped.
We are to believe that a vaccine will be some magic bullet.
The magic bullet will let us worship and gather.
It will bring us back to normal
It is our answer to becoming sane again.
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There is several that caught it in my town.
It was like the flu. They got sick then got well again.
A woman I know that had some underlying conditions was scared stiff of getting it.
She had a illness 4 years ago that required a ventilator. She was horrified she would get that nightmare again.
She got covid.
She was sick 4 or 5 days.
Never went to the doctor except to get tested.
She recovered just fine.
My brother in law and several of his kids got it.
They caught him mowing the yard on the 3rd day and told him he should be in bed.
He is fine now
A couple in Florida had it.
The wife got sick for 4 or 5 days....the man got a slight case and after a day was fine. Both are old and fine.
Yesterday a 91 yrs old woman died. I talked to her son. They said it was covid. NOBODY else in the house tested positive. They constantly pampered and kissed her.
My friend told him "she Most likely was a false positive..they LABEL MOST DEATHS COVID to get the money"
It was like the flu. They got sick then got well again.
A woman I know that had some underlying conditions was scared stiff of getting it.
She had a illness 4 years ago that required a ventilator. She was horrified she would get that nightmare again.
She got covid.
She was sick 4 or 5 days.
Never went to the doctor except to get tested.
She recovered just fine.
My brother in law and several of his kids got it.
They caught him mowing the yard on the 3rd day and told him he should be in bed.
He is fine now
A couple in Florida had it.
The wife got sick for 4 or 5 days....the man got a slight case and after a day was fine. Both are old and fine.
Yesterday a 91 yrs old woman died. I talked to her son. They said it was covid. NOBODY else in the house tested positive. They constantly pampered and kissed her.
My friend told him "she Most likely was a false positive..they LABEL MOST DEATHS COVID to get the money"
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Well I'm glad they all got over it the antibodies last for about two weeks they've found. They should be careful not to catch it again because doctors now realize that it causes a certain amount of damage to a persons internal organs that stays after they recuperate from it so round two or three could be worse.
I agree at the moment I am at my home in Tyler county because MD Anderson is shifting things around to take in patients with C-19/cancer https://undark.org/2020/07/07/houston-hospitals-covid-19-crisis/ I don't think they wanted to but since about the 7th,8th the other Hospitals began running out of medicines,beds,staff ect. and so they are trying to adjust things because of it.
I don't think most people are saying that SARS-Cov-2 is a hoax, anymore than the seasonal flu or other pathogens are a hoax.....influenza is real and can claim over 600K lives worldwide some years, and we could absolutely could have been bringing in Pandemic lockdown measures in an effort to control the spread and limit the death toll every year....closing schools and businesses, cancelling all non critical medical care in hospitals, having everyone shelter in place during every flu season.....but we don't.
Bottom line is that there are a lot of of people who think our response has been disproportionate to the threat.....grossly disproportionate, and I agree with them.
Bottom line is that there are a lot of of people who think our response has been disproportionate to the threat.....grossly disproportionate, and I agree with them.
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Here's something shocking to read about this. The common cold nor the flu does this. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/01/coronavirus-autopsies-findings/
I can't read that article without subscribing, but I have seen reports on the small minority of people for whom Covid is serious and potentially deadly, how it attacks all manner of organs and tissue. Thankfully this is only a very small mintority of cases. In Canada 82% of deaths have been in Long Term Care facilities, which sadly is where people go when they're already old sick and dying.
According to my province's Long Term Care Association this is a snap shot of the people in these nursing home facilities:
My province of Ontario has a population of abotu 14.5 million....comparable to a lot of American States. 95.5% of all deaths here are in people aged 60 or higher....and about 98% have some underlying health issue. I personally only know of one Covid case, a woman I went to high school with....she said it is the worst illness she's ever had, she likely got it while working as an RN in a LTC facility.....but she's also asthamtic, which all the science tells us is one of the conditions that can make Covid serious.....if she'd been 70+ years of age, given that she has asthma...then I think there's a strong chance it would have killed her.
The bottom line is Covid can be serious and potentially deadly, just not for the vast majority of the population.....the media wants us to think we're all compromised senior citizens.
According to my province's Long Term Care Association this is a snap shot of the people in these nursing home facilities:
- 90% have some form of cognitive impairment
- 86% of residents need extensive help with daily activities such as getting out of bed, eating, or toileting
- 80% have neurological diseases
- 76% have heart/circulation diseases
- 64% have a diagnosis of dementia
- 62% have musculoskeletal diseases such as arthritis and osteoporosis
- 61% take 10 or more prescription medications
- 40% need monitoring for an acute medical condition
- 21% have experienced a stroke
My province of Ontario has a population of abotu 14.5 million....comparable to a lot of American States. 95.5% of all deaths here are in people aged 60 or higher....and about 98% have some underlying health issue. I personally only know of one Covid case, a woman I went to high school with....she said it is the worst illness she's ever had, she likely got it while working as an RN in a LTC facility.....but she's also asthamtic, which all the science tells us is one of the conditions that can make Covid serious.....if she'd been 70+ years of age, given that she has asthma...then I think there's a strong chance it would have killed her.
The bottom line is Covid can be serious and potentially deadly, just not for the vast majority of the population.....the media wants us to think we're all compromised senior citizens.
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I am not in favor of a mask mandate. Throwing out random numbers that I've seen "on the internet"...
Let's say mask are 25% effective in reducing viral transmission (properly worn)
Let's say a vaccine is 25% more effective than a person's natural immune system
Is it not likely that a vaccine will be mandated as well? Certainly a private business or a state run school/college could require a mask/vaccine but anything beyond that is something of a slippery slope. Especially because just like masks (with a very small group of people) vaccines can be not worth the risk for a small minority. That's why across the board measures are a tad bit concerning.
I am not posting on stuff like this at present. However, it does irritate me that testing is not completed. If we have the money to give out 300,000,000,000 during this time...it stands to reason that if people were paid $100 to get tested (assuming a test is $300) then we could have the total numbers in a month for the entire population for 100 billion. Seems like this would be an incredibly desirable risk assessment.
It is unrealistic that if your business closes down after just having reopened because someone tested positive for the virus that you are now forced to pay $300 because you are asymptomatic and few places (if any easily) are willing to test for free. Regardless of whether they are supposed to or not, based of minimal research and a personal relationship of mine, it is not at ALL easy. $300 is a paycheck for a lot of part-timers and certainly a weekly paycheck for a good percentage of 10/hr employment opportunities. Losing two weeks of pay due to shutdown and then having to deal with the headache of unemployment and then losing a paycheck on top of that is a bit...unbalanced.
This just creates more hardship unnecessarily. There are too many opportunists doing for profit tests, and much like prosecuting price gougers and hoarders, it is in the same category of profiteering. Bloodwork costs less than a virus test and you aren't "required" to do one outside maybe some health insurance carriers.
You can do the math on a 5 minute swab test to figure out how many testers would be needed and how long it would take, but $300/test is a bit absurd for data governments presumably desire. You could even have mail in testing like they do for a plethora of other bodily fluid tests. As it stands right now, I am not impressed.
Of course on the other hand...you have the fact that testing is only so accurate and fraught with inaccuracies and false positives depending on administration and specific test. To give the benefit of the doubt, it is possible that the lack of "motivational testing" is due to this factor and potentially a few others and this simply has not been publicly discussed (at least from what I've gleaned).
Let's say mask are 25% effective in reducing viral transmission (properly worn)
Let's say a vaccine is 25% more effective than a person's natural immune system
Is it not likely that a vaccine will be mandated as well? Certainly a private business or a state run school/college could require a mask/vaccine but anything beyond that is something of a slippery slope. Especially because just like masks (with a very small group of people) vaccines can be not worth the risk for a small minority. That's why across the board measures are a tad bit concerning.
I am not posting on stuff like this at present. However, it does irritate me that testing is not completed. If we have the money to give out 300,000,000,000 during this time...it stands to reason that if people were paid $100 to get tested (assuming a test is $300) then we could have the total numbers in a month for the entire population for 100 billion. Seems like this would be an incredibly desirable risk assessment.
It is unrealistic that if your business closes down after just having reopened because someone tested positive for the virus that you are now forced to pay $300 because you are asymptomatic and few places (if any easily) are willing to test for free. Regardless of whether they are supposed to or not, based of minimal research and a personal relationship of mine, it is not at ALL easy. $300 is a paycheck for a lot of part-timers and certainly a weekly paycheck for a good percentage of 10/hr employment opportunities. Losing two weeks of pay due to shutdown and then having to deal with the headache of unemployment and then losing a paycheck on top of that is a bit...unbalanced.
This just creates more hardship unnecessarily. There are too many opportunists doing for profit tests, and much like prosecuting price gougers and hoarders, it is in the same category of profiteering. Bloodwork costs less than a virus test and you aren't "required" to do one outside maybe some health insurance carriers.
You can do the math on a 5 minute swab test to figure out how many testers would be needed and how long it would take, but $300/test is a bit absurd for data governments presumably desire. You could even have mail in testing like they do for a plethora of other bodily fluid tests. As it stands right now, I am not impressed.
Of course on the other hand...you have the fact that testing is only so accurate and fraught with inaccuracies and false positives depending on administration and specific test. To give the benefit of the doubt, it is possible that the lack of "motivational testing" is due to this factor and potentially a few others and this simply has not been publicly discussed (at least from what I've gleaned).