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Micaiah-imla

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Duskey said:
With respect and love I share with you scripture that states nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8.
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Much appreciated. Respect and love back at ya. (y)

But this scripture:

Romans 8:38-39
[38] For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, [39] Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Does not mention what YOU could do to be separated.

Just sayin... :)
 
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Dear Lord, I am as Paul said, chief of sinners, but I am so thankful you saw fit to offer me the gift of salvation and that I humbly took it. I praise your Holy Name both now and forever more.

I'm so grateful that I did not have to "earn" it but that you had mercy on me and covered me with grace. I am so grateful I have it for all eternity because of what You did.
 
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As do I. And I find it strange that someone new to this site would give a rebuttle for many posts, especially if they did not know anyone here.
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They are treating the other person as a victim, as if they do not have the same free will to come here every day, day after day, week after week, that he (is it a he?) said he exercises every day of his life. Reading one morning's posts cannot in any way give anywhere near a full picture of how the other person has continually proven them self untrustworthy, repeatedly claiming they are going to do something but then repeatedly reneging on that, constantly proclaiming their confusion, bending this way and that, being unfounded, freely expressing their opinion while wanting to silence others, and then telling others that those others are "lost" simply because they cannot grasp what others say. He said the other person was wrong on one matter of context, while it encompasses far more than that...
 
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inHisImage

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Duskey said:
Chastising those who defend Truth against trouble-making tares.
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Why did you feel chastised? My words are nothing that I could ever make you feel that way. I did suggest another way to approach that poster and that poster confessed. I got the response you could not. How does that make me the bad person?
 
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Magenta said:
They are treating the other person as a victim, as if they do not have the same free will to come here every day, day after day, week after week, that he (is it a he?) said he exercises every day of his life. Reading one morning's posts cannot in any way give anywhere near a full picture of how the other person has continually proven them self untrustworthy, repeatedly claiming they are going to do something but then repeatedly reneging on that, constantly proclaiming their confusion, bending this way and that, being unfounded, freely expressing their opinion while wanting to silence others, and then telling others that those others are "lost" simply because they cannot grasp what others say. He said the other person was wrong on one matter of context, while it encompasses far more than that...
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Amen and amen
 
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Micaiah-imla

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Duskey said:
Chastising those who defend Truth against trouble-making tares.
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Look, everyone is approaching the topic as defending the truth.

Accusing those on the opposite side of the debate as the tares is not good. Just present your proof text (preferably keeping the commentary to a minimum) and let it stand.
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
Much appreciated. Respect and love back at ya. (y)

But this scripture:

Romans 8:38-39
[38] For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, [39] Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Does not mention what YOU could do to be separated.

Just sayin... :)
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I’ve always considered that that verse does not state our stupidity can not separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus, however I lean on the side of grace and figure it’s a gimme. 😊
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
Look, everyone is approaching the topic as defending the truth.

Accusing those on the opposite side of the debate as the tares is not good. Just present your proof text (preferably without commentary) and let it stand.
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It’s more than that, brother. Look at the last 10 pages and the juvenile, unchristian antics of one who claims to be pouring out the Fruit of the Spirit yet does nothing more than put forth antagonizing emojis on people’s posts whom she does not like. If she’s not a tare, she’s definitely acting like one, and her actions are not glorifying to God.
 
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Micaiah-imla

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Dear Lord, I am as Paul said, chief of sinners,
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Paul obviously said this referring to his past persecution of Christians. Not his current state with the Lord.

1 Timothy 1:13
[13] Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
Romans 8:38-39
[38] For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, [39] Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Does not mention what YOU could do to be separated.

Just sayin... :)
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Romans 8:38-39 + Psalm 91:11 :)
 
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Guojing

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dcontroversal said:
I have no problem understand the views of others.....and I weigh them against the simple truth of the bible.....and a spade will always be a spade.....

IF CONTEXT dictates that JESUS is speaking of FALSE teachers and their FRUIT.....I WILL not embellish it and or erroneously apply the word FRUIT to the FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT.....

Context will direct my UNDERSTANDING every time when the word of GOD is addressed!
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When I said understand, I mean "understand why, if you put yourself in their shoes and adopt their perspective, what they are saying can be true from their point of view".
 
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EleventhHour said:
So you reveal you are of the Calvinist School of Thought then....

Yeah I was not fooled .........................not for one New York minute ... I just played along.

The way you jumped into this thread... so obvious.
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Calvin was a heretic. Why would I follow his lead?
 
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inHisImage said:
But everything you have made clear to me proves one thing, I am predestined. If I am saved, it was because God first gave me the faith to believe and accept Him, then from there I became eternally saved even if/when I sin.

So, if that is a done deal, it would have to work on the other end of the spectrum. Those who never accepted God and will never accept Him are so because of predestination. God may indeed give everyone a chance, but for those who accept compared to those who don't seem as their paths were already laid out for them.

Because you have proven I really never had Free will because i was going to be one of those who accept God. And those who never accept God don't have Free Will because they were never going to accept God.

Thank you for clarifying this!
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Please show me where I have proven this?
 
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Micaiah-imla

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Duskey said:
If she’s not a tare, she’s definitely acting like one, and her actions are not glorifying to God.
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A tare, in my opinion, would be one who denies/blasphemes Christ, God, the Bible, and so on. Someone who promotes evil freely.

Along those lines. :)
 
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