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The reason I emphasize the Holy Spirit specifically is because Christ said all sins are forgivable and we could even Blaspheme Him (Christ) and it would be forgivable. But just Blaspheming the Holy Spirit alone, is not forgivable. So that is more than just not believing who Christ is.
 
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inHisImage said:
I could not agree any more. But there is nothing that can keep me from doing it unless I choose not to do it. That is what is beautiful about having a Free Will.
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You seem pretty enthusiastic of having the freedom to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, regardless of the eternal consequences.
 
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inHisImage said:
I am using the entire context.
24 Now the Pharisees, hearing it, said, "This man is not casting out the demons except by Beezeboul, the chief of the demons." 25 Now, having perceived their sentiments, He said to them, "Every kingdom parted against itself is being desolated, and every city or house parted against itself shall not stand." 26 And if the Satan is casting out the Satan, he is parted against himself. How, then, shall his kingdom stand? 27 And if I, by Beezeboul, am casting out demons, by whom are your sons casting them out? Therefore they shall be your judges." 28 Now if, by the spirit of God, I am casting out demons, consequently the kingdom of God outstrips in time to you." 29 Or how can anyone be entering into the house of the strong one, and plunder his gear, if ever he should not first be binding the strong one? And then he will be plundering his house." 30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who is not gathering with Me is scattering." 31 Therefore I am saying to you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be pardoned men, yet the blasphemy of the spirit shall not be pardoned." 32 And whosoever may be saying a word against the Son of Mankind, it will be pardoned him, yet whoever may be saying aught against the holy spirit, it shall not be pardoned him, neither in this eon nor in that which is impending."
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Not debating anymore.

Like I have stated so many times on this thread and I am sticking with and is borne out over an over again, unless one

adheres to /knows on a spiritual level

the doctrine of eternal security, which is the milk of God's word.... one cannot go onto the meat of God's word, what one

will have is dogma, theory and philosophy with a smattering of truth.
 
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inHisImage said:
Yes, of course. I apologize for you thinking I was being deceitful. It was never my intention.
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After dealing with enough theological waste, eventually you get some in your mouth and it creates pessimism.
 
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inHisImage said:
I am using the entire context.
24 Now the Pharisees, hearing it, said, "This man is not casting out the demons except by Beezeboul, the chief of the demons." 25 Now, having perceived their sentiments, He said to them, "Every kingdom parted against itself is being desolated, and every city or house parted against itself shall not stand." 26 And if the Satan is casting out the Satan, he is parted against himself. How, then, shall his kingdom stand? 27 And if I, by Beezeboul, am casting out demons, by whom are your sons casting them out? Therefore they shall be your judges." 28 Now if, by the spirit of God, I am casting out demons, consequently the kingdom of God outstrips in time to you." 29 Or how can anyone be entering into the house of the strong one, and plunder his gear, if ever he should not first be binding the strong one? And then he will be plundering his house." 30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who is not gathering with Me is scattering." 31 Therefore I am saying to you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be pardoned men, yet the blasphemy of the spirit shall not be pardoned." 32 And whosoever may be saying a word against the Son of Mankind, it will be pardoned him, yet whoever may be saying aught against the holy spirit, it shall not be pardoned him, neither in this eon nor in that which is impending."
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The role of the Holy Spirit is to lead to truth... that is why it is the sin of unbelief.

It is actually right there in the passage
 
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I agree...
The Holy Spirit has showed me I was not behaving in the way I should be...I felt His correction , and I apologized , and thank God the poster Judges forgave me , but I tell you something , I felt my peace with God go until I said " Yes Lord , I understand , and will ask for forgiveness , I repented , and do not want to be showing myself in that manner again to anyone , it is not nice to behave in that way towards another...
...xox...
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We are human. And even though we are saved, we still unfortunately have a sin nature. And it can get the best of us at times because we are never 100% in Christ all of the time. We desire to be, but that is impossible to be. I do the same thing myself. And I agree, the weight of millstone feels like it has been lifted. Such a wonderful action we have been given to be able to repent :D
 
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PennEd said:
Unless you KNOW this person to be a previously banned member you should not be accusing.
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Someone joins this site, immediately jumps into this thread and defends a member who consistently causes strife raises my suspicions.
 
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Duskey said:
You seem pretty enthusiastic of having the freedom to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, regardless of the eternal consequences.
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I was thinking it seems crazy to be writing what I did. But I kept in mind it was for demonstration purposes only. And sadly, it is a truthful realization that we could do.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Not debating anymore.

Like I have stated so many times on this thread and I am sticking with and is borne out over an over again, unless one

adheres to /knows on a spiritual level

the doctrine of eternal security, which is the milk of God's word.... one cannot go onto the meat of God's word, what one

will have is dogma, theory and philosophy with a smattering of truth.
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I never disagreed with you. I only spoke from the point of Free Will. To say we can never do this or that is to remove any sense of Free Will. And from my understanding, since the garden, Free Will has been the allowance humans were given by God. If we are forced to be Saved, that makes us a robot. God has Angels already, I don't think He wants us to be controlled by Him unless we offer ourselves to be controlled by Him.
 
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If I really did not want to go to Heaven but spend my eternity in a burning hell, and that was my complete desire. Do you think God would force me to spend eternity with Him?
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Sometimes I wish someone could give me a novel response.
 
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Why isn't a response from the viewpoint of Free Will acceptable?
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If you accept the declaration of INNOCENT by the Judge (God) and accept the payment of the debt in full, how do you in your free will

re-assume the debt?
 
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If someone calls the HS's work from Satan, they are not a saved person. If someone is a saved person, they will not call the work of the HS from Satan.
 
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EleventhHour said:
If you accept the declaration of INNOCENT by the Judge (God) and accept the payment of the debt in full, how do you in your free will

re-assume the debt?
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Intelligently, no one would do that. But for the back slider, you can see it is possible.
 
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How can anyone who has received the gift of salvation given by God Almighty ever believe they can "undo" what He has done?

If we by works cannot save ourselves, then how can we by works "unsave" ourselves?
 
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