The Incarnation of God.
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If we are conceived by the holy spirit how are we not legitimate children?
You don't adopt your own children that you yourself conceived do you????
The translation of the word adopted is a mistake and out of line with the whole of scripture.
It can also be understood as placement, then the text about a legitimate child is treated the same as the servants when they are young makes sense in the context.
but in maturity if they are good sons they receive placement/adoption as sons into positions of authority over the house.
If we are conceived by the holy spirit how are we not legitimate children?
You don't adopt your own children that you yourself conceived do you????
The translation of the word adopted is a mistake and out of line with the whole of scripture.
It can also be understood as placement, then the text about a legitimate child is treated the same as the servants when they are young makes sense in the context.
but in maturity if they are good sons they receive placement/adoption as sons into positions of authority over the house.
When you say Jesus IS NOT a human person, are you speaking of Him NOW? He sits on His Throne in Heaven. He is not a human person NOW.
However, when he took upon Himself the form of man and came to earth, He was fully God AND fully man.
The key to understanding this is in the phrase "took upon Himself the form of man...." Thus, BEFORE He did that, He WAS not a human person, AND when He ascended to His Throne, He did so as He was prior to taking upon Himself the form of man.............
Jesus IS GOD, God the Son
God is not a human person, for human persons are frail, full of sin, and in need of salvation.............
God IS NONE of those things.
We are not descended from Abraham. Only the "Jewish" people are Abrahams natural descendants. But we are adopted into the family so that we can inherit the promise of Abraham. Paul tells us the natural branches were cut off and we were grafted in.
"You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” That is correct: They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will certainly not spare you either" (Romans 11:19,20,21)
"You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” That is correct: They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will certainly not spare you either" (Romans 11:19,20,21)
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p_rehbein, post: 4310034, member: 174109"]God is not a human person, for human persons are frail, full of sin, and in need of salvation.............
God IS NONE of those things.
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Jesus is a Divine person being fully Human. Not a human person being fully divine. Yeah I get it I think
Jesus isn't a man being God but God being a man.
God IS NONE of those things.
Benadam quote
Jesus is a Divine person being fully Human. Not a human person being fully divine. Yeah I get it I think
Jesus isn't a man being God but God being a man.
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The doctrine of the trinity as it now stands is not referred to as such in the N.T. The Trinitarian doctrine was first constructed among the early church fathers in an attempt to rationalise the relationship between God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit for the Christians of the time.
There should be no controversy about the humanity of Christ based on the fact that Jesus was called man on many occasions:
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, (1 Tim 2:5)
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! (Rom 5:15)
Jesus was called man, because he was a man, but there is even more indisputable proof for the humanity of Christ.
Jesus of Nazareth had the common attributes of a man—he slept, wept, got angry, became thirsty, suffered tiredness, ate food, died physically, was born of a human mother, etc. The reason why he did all of those things is because he was a man:
Without warning, a furious storm came up on the lake, so that the waves swept over the boat. But Jesus was sleeping. (Mat 8:24)
Later, knowing that all was now completed, and so that the Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, “I am thirsty.” (John 19:28)
The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. (Mark 11:12)
By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance : that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, (1 Cor 15:2,3)
But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law, (Gal 4:4)
Many times did He refer to himself as 'son of man.'
Divinity shared with humanity is a difficult concept for our finite minds to grasp but evidence for both to be present in Jesus when He walked upon the earth abound in the New testament.
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What the doctrine of the Trinity says about it is complicated, so I’m going to provide a link to trinitarians explaining it.
https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/enhypostasis-what-kind-of-flesh-did-the-word-become
Jesus is presented in scripture as a human person, the Son of God. He was born a mortal human person. He lived and died. He was resurrected an immortal human person.
There is presently an immortal Jewish human person (Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of God) seated at the right hand of God (the Father) in heaven.
When Jesus returns, dead mortal human persons who belong to him will will be resurrected to life, as immortal human persons. Mortal human persons belonging to him when he returns will be changed in an instant from mortal human persons to immortal human persons.
https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/enhypostasis-what-kind-of-flesh-did-the-word-become
Jesus is presented in scripture as a human person, the Son of God. He was born a mortal human person. He lived and died. He was resurrected an immortal human person.
There is presently an immortal Jewish human person (Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of God) seated at the right hand of God (the Father) in heaven.
When Jesus returns, dead mortal human persons who belong to him will will be resurrected to life, as immortal human persons. Mortal human persons belonging to him when he returns will be changed in an instant from mortal human persons to immortal human persons.
Jesus lost His humanity when, after His crucifixion He was resurrected and ascended to His Father. In John 20:17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'" .
You're talking about ^ what He did on the very day of His Resurrection ['I ascend [active]' Jn20:17], that is, ON "Firstfruit" (per Lev23:10-12 [thus fulfilling this], and 1Cor15:20, etc)...
but later that same day (late in the evening), He said this:
Luke 24:39 -
"See My hands and My feet, that I am He. Touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see Me having."
[it was some "40 days" LATER that we see in Acts 1 His "VISIBLE" ascension https://biblehub.com/text/acts/1-9.htm ]
but later that same day (late in the evening), He said this:
Luke 24:39 -
"See My hands and My feet, that I am He. Touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see Me having."
[it was some "40 days" LATER that we see in Acts 1 His "VISIBLE" ascension https://biblehub.com/text/acts/1-9.htm ]
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And yet you earlier quoted this verse:
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, (1 Tim 2:5)
That verse refers to Jesus as He is today as a mediator between mankind and the Father, and the text calls him "man"
So, yes, Jesus lost his earthly body as a person, but yet retains his status as "man". In fact, that is what qualifies him to be the mediator.
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, (1 Tim 2:5)
That verse refers to Jesus as He is today as a mediator between mankind and the Father, and the text calls him "man"
So, yes, Jesus lost his earthly body as a person, but yet retains his status as "man". In fact, that is what qualifies him to be the mediator.
We need to be clear that the body of Christ needed no redemption. But it did need resurrection. BIG DIFFERENCE. Redemption is for sinners. But Christ was SEPARATE FROM SINNERS.
For such an High Priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; (Heb 7:26)
The body of Christ after His death remained in the tomb for three days and three nights, while His soul and spirit were in Hades. But it did not experience corruption or decay, as already prophesied in Scripture.
ACTS 2: THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST GUARANTEED WITHOUT DECAY
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh [BODY] shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in [Hades], neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
For such an High Priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; (Heb 7:26)
The body of Christ after His death remained in the tomb for three days and three nights, while His soul and spirit were in Hades. But it did not experience corruption or decay, as already prophesied in Scripture.
ACTS 2: THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST GUARANTEED WITHOUT DECAY
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh [BODY] shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in [Hades], neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
The one thing He clearly understands (not that He did not know but now with a clearer view of humanities issue with Temptation) is how the devil tempts us. As God in His true Being, He cannot be Tempted by Evil. But as a human being, He could be Tempted directly by evil on the same level as all of us are tempted. I believe this is why "Grace/Mercy" has such a value to it. Even being made like us in His incarnation, He still could not be succumbed by evil's Temptation. But being like us, He completely see's how we are easily seduced by it.