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You deny the Lord returns in fire and final judgement?:)

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Yes. I deny it. My argument is that the Lord RETURNS to establish a Kingdom. Then, 1,000 years later is the FIRE and FINAL JUDGMENT while Christ is ON EARTH - not COMING. That is the sequence given. You deny the 1,000 year period BETWEEN Christ's COMING and Final Judgment. You try to erase Revelation Chapter 20. I try to expound it. So let us settle it with one proof - DEATH.

When is death defeated and abolished? In Revelation 19 is a great battle with much death. This is caused by our Lord Jesus and His army at Armageddon. So death is still going strong. Then, after the 1,000 years, Satan is let loose and raises up another army. This time the General is not the Beast, but Magog and Gog. There is a battle for Jerusalem with MUCH DEATH. On the New Earth, there is NO DEATH. So tell us WHEN this 1,000 year reign of Christ is?
  • It must be AFTER the Beast for His co-kings were those beheaded for not supporting the Beast
  • It must be AFTER Christ's Coming for Christ reigns over the nations with a rod of iron
  • Scripture says it is while Satan is bound. Satan is not bound yet
  • Scripture says that it will end when Satan is let lose again
  • Even if you give the 1,000 years an allegorical value, it is still BETWEEN CHRIST'S COMING and Magog. And death is still prevailing.
What is your explanation of these facts brother.
 

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Matthew 19:26-28 (KJV)
26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
 

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Ezekiel 37:

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put My Spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.
 

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Yes. I deny it. My argument is that the Lord RETURNS to establish a Kingdom. Then, 1,000 years later is the FIRE and FINAL JUDGMENT while Christ is ON EARTH - not COMING. That is the sequence given. You deny the 1,000 year period BETWEEN Christ's COMING and Final Judgment. You try to erase Revelation Chapter 20. I try to expound it. So let us settle it with one proof - DEATH.

When is death defeated and abolished? In Revelation 19 is a great battle with much death. This is caused by our Lord Jesus and His army at Armageddon. So death is still going strong. Then, after the 1,000 years, Satan is let loose and raises up another army. This time the General is not the Beast, but Magog and Gog. There is a battle for Jerusalem with MUCH DEATH. On the New Earth, there is NO DEATH. So tell us WHEN this 1,000 year reign of Christ is?
  • It must be AFTER the Beast for His co-kings were those beheaded for not supporting the Beast
  • It must be AFTER Christ's Coming for Christ reigns over the nations with a rod of iron
  • Scripture says it is while Satan is bound. Satan is not bound yet
  • Scripture says that it will end when Satan is let lose again
  • Even if you give the 1,000 years an allegorical value, it is still BETWEEN CHRIST'S COMING and Magog. And death is still prevailing.
What is your explanation of these facts brother.

You are confused. Christians are saved by the blood of the Lamb. it is a Gift of Salvation. Sins are washed away.

What is the purpose of the thousand year reign of The King. It is for those who were not offered the Cleansing Blood. they did not have this same opportunity; those who sacrificed bulls and goats; their sins were not washed away are.

Take your human blinders off and study the scriptures. it is all valid

what was the promise to the fathers of Jews from the Old Testament. It is the Kingdom with a King.

what sign was nailed to the cross above Jesus : "King of the Jews"

Don't box yourself in denominational-ism. and open your heart and mind to the Word of God.
 

Truth7t7

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Yes. I deny it. My argument is that the Lord RETURNS to establish a Kingdom. Then, 1,000 years later is the FIRE and FINAL JUDGMENT while Christ is ON EARTH - not COMING. That is the sequence given. You deny the 1,000 year period BETWEEN Christ's COMING and Final Judgment. You try to erase Revelation Chapter 20. I try to expound it. So let us settle it with one proof - DEATH.

When is death defeated and abolished? In Revelation 19 is a great battle with much death. This is caused by our Lord Jesus and His army at Armageddon. So death is still going strong. Then, after the 1,000 years, Satan is let loose and raises up another army. This time the General is not the Beast, but Magog and Gog. There is a battle for Jerusalem with MUCH DEATH. On the New Earth, there is NO DEATH. So tell us WHEN this 1,000 year reign of Christ is?
  • It must be AFTER the Beast for His co-kings were those beheaded for not supporting the Beast
  • It must be AFTER Christ's Coming for Christ reigns over the nations with a rod of iron
  • Scripture says it is while Satan is bound. Satan is not bound yet
  • Scripture says that it will end when Satan is let lose again
  • Even if you give the 1,000 years an allegorical value, it is still BETWEEN CHRIST'S COMING and Magog. And death is still prevailing.
What is your explanation of these facts brother.
Will you also deny that (The End Comes) at the return of Jesus Christ, as clearly taught below?

There is no 1,000 year kingdom on this earth seen, between verses 23-24 below?

1 Corinthians 15:22-26KJV
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end
, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
 

Truth7t7

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Yes. I deny it. My argument is that the Lord RETURNS to establish a Kingdom. Then, 1,000 years later is the FIRE and FINAL JUDGMENT while Christ is ON EARTH - not COMING. That is the sequence given. You deny the 1,000 year period BETWEEN Christ's COMING and Final Judgment. You try to erase Revelation Chapter 20. I try to expound it. So let us settle it with one proof - DEATH.

When is death defeated and abolished? In Revelation 19 is a great battle with much death. This is caused by our Lord Jesus and His army at Armageddon. So death is still going strong. Then, after the 1,000 years, Satan is let loose and raises up another army. This time the General is not the Beast, but Magog and Gog. There is a battle for Jerusalem with MUCH DEATH. On the New Earth, there is NO DEATH. So tell us WHEN this 1,000 year reign of Christ is?
  • It must be AFTER the Beast for His co-kings were those beheaded for not supporting the Beast
  • It must be AFTER Christ's Coming for Christ reigns over the nations with a rod of iron
  • Scripture says it is while Satan is bound. Satan is not bound yet
  • Scripture says that it will end when Satan is let lose again
  • Even if you give the 1,000 years an allegorical value, it is still BETWEEN CHRIST'S COMING and Magog. And death is still prevailing.
What is your explanation of these facts brother.
You expound on Revelation chapter 20?

(NO) You Falsely Claim That A Kingdom On This Earth, With Mortal Humans Present, Is Represented By These Verses :)

There is no Kingdom or Mortal Humans seen below, it's 100% in the Lord's (Spiritual Realm) of no earthly time.

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ.

100% Spiritual Realm, No Kingdom On Earth Or Humans Seen, Oh No :eek:

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 

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Yes. I deny it. My argument is that the Lord RETURNS to establish a Kingdom. Then, 1,000 years later is the FIRE and FINAL JUDGMENT while Christ is ON EARTH - not COMING. That is the sequence given. You deny the 1,000 year period BETWEEN Christ's COMING and Final Judgment. You try to erase Revelation Chapter 20. I try to expound it. So let us settle it with one proof - DEATH.

When is death defeated and abolished? In Revelation 19 is a great battle with much death. This is caused by our Lord Jesus and His army at Armageddon. So death is still going strong. Then, after the 1,000 years, Satan is let loose and raises up another army. This time the General is not the Beast, but Magog and Gog. There is a battle for Jerusalem with MUCH DEATH. On the New Earth, there is NO DEATH. So tell us WHEN this 1,000 year reign of Christ is?
  • It must be AFTER the Beast for His co-kings were those beheaded for not supporting the Beast
  • It must be AFTER Christ's Coming for Christ reigns over the nations with a rod of iron
  • Scripture says it is while Satan is bound. Satan is not bound yet
  • Scripture says that it will end when Satan is let lose again
  • Even if you give the 1,000 years an allegorical value, it is still BETWEEN CHRIST'S COMING and Magog. And death is still prevailing.
What is your explanation of these facts brother.
(Rule Them With A Rod Of Iron?)

You take the very context of Revelation 19:15 below and "Falsely Claim" this represents Jesus Christ reigns on this earth for 1,000 years?

As scripture "Clearly Teaches" so easy a 3rd grader could understand, the rod of iron is as a potter destroying clay vessels he made, showing the Lord's destruction of man at his return, in firceness and wrath.

Will you continue to "Falsely Teach" this represents a 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ On Earth?

Psalms 2:9KJV
Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron;
thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Revelation 2:27KJV
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers:
even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 19:15KJV
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
 

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Scripture says it is while Satan is bound. Satan is not bound yet
Scripture says that it will end when Satan is let lose again


Even if you give the 1,000 years an allegorical value, it is still BETWEEN CHRIST'S COMING and Magog. And death is still prevailing.
What is your explanation of these facts brother.
Satan is "Currently Bound" by the 6th vial in Revelation 16:12 in the spiritual realm, from "One Specific Purpose"And this purpose alone?

(Deceiving The Nations To Battle)

At the end of the future tribulation the 6th vial will be poured out as seen in Rev 16:12, as Satan is loosed into the realm of earth, as seen in the "Parallel Teaching" in Revelation 20:7-9, the spirits of devil's working miracles is the (Deception)

Revelation 20:7-9KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations
which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Satan's Deception In False Miracles Of Devil's, Going Forth To The King Of Earth, Gathering Them To Battle)

(The 6th Vial "Currently Has Satan Bound")

Revelation 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
 
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You are confused. Christians are saved by the blood of the Lamb. it is a Gift of Salvation. Sins are washed away.

What is the purpose of the thousand year reign of The King. It is for those who were not offered the Cleansing Blood. they did not have this same opportunity; those who sacrificed bulls and goats; their sins were not washed away are.

Take your human blinders off and study the scriptures. it is all valid

what was the promise to the fathers of Jews from the Old Testament. It is the Kingdom with a King.

what sign was nailed to the cross above Jesus : "King of the Jews"

Don't box yourself in denominational-ism. and open your heart and mind to the Word of God.
Thank you for your reply. Your opinion without addressing a single argument from the various postings of mine is noted.
 
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(Rule Them With A Rod Of Iron?)

You take the very context of Revelation 19:15 below and "Falsely Claim" this represents Jesus Christ reigns on this earth for 1,000 years?

As scripture "Clearly Teaches" so easy a 3rd grader could understand, the rod of iron is as a potter destroying clay vessels he made, showing the Lord's destruction of man at his return, in firceness and wrath.

Will you continue to "Falsely Teach" this represents a 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ On Earth?

Psalms 2:9KJV
Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron;
thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Revelation 2:27KJV
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers:
even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 19:15KJV
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
I have read your multiple posts of last night. Instead of battling obscure points, I would like to take the opportunity to set forth my argument in general terms. And my first argument is that unless it says so, or unless an absurdity is created, the Bible is LITERAL. Symbolism, Typology, Parable, Allegory and Signs are used extensively, but unless the scripture says so, it is to be taken LITERALLY. If any student of scripture must revert to the argument that something is "Spiritual" when no indication is given, is just refusing to face the plain language of scripture. So, if one doesn't show a reason why one takes something "Spiritually", or allegorically, one is just changing the meaning of God's Word.

When God made man, He made him FROM earth, to be nourished BY earth, so that he could RULE the earth. Even our Lord Jesus is presented as a TREE from which we eat fruit - something connected to THE EARTH. Later, He is BREAD, a Lamb, a Lion and an Egale - all things connected to the earth. God is ALL-mighty, and His councils are IMMUTABLE. God's enemies might DELAY the process of God achieving His goals, but this delay only affords God time to show greater glory. So the man of FAITH can expect to see MAN (plural) ruling the earth at some point. Man is also ordered to "SUBDUE" (Gen.1:26). "SUBDUE" means that a rebellion is in progress and must be put down. Man is also told to bring the Garden of Fellowship "to ORDER" (lit. Heb.). That means that the Garden of Eden was NOT IN ORDER. And we soon see why. There was a serpent in it.

Man did not take God's Words LITERALLY and was deceived in taking the side of the serpent. From that moment on, man did rule the earth, but under the influence of "The Prince of the Power of the Air", and "The Prince of this World". The evil that this union produced cause God to wipe all men and animals, except those in an Ark, off the face of the earth. The offspring of the family in the Ark soon turned to worshiping the creature, and until Joshua crossed the Jordan and started to conquer a small bit of the earth called Canaan, the RULE of this earth was still by men under the influence of Satan. But for a period of just under a thousand years, Israel, under the influence of God's Law, provided a safe haven for God to have His influence. But Israel broke the Law thoroughly and under the terms of the Covenant of Law, were ejected fro Canaan. RULE of this earth was again solely in the hands of the Gentiles.

Some 4,000 years after Adam, God sent His Son Jesus to accomplish TWO things. (i) Put away sins, for these hindered a holy God in having relations with men, and (ii) restore Israel to leading nation on earth. That is, One of God's choice would RULE. The main teaching of Jesus was "the Kingdom (out) OF Heaven" - that is, God's will and rules would be taken from heaven and applied on earth. Israel refused to acknowledge their sin and sins, refused the rule of their King, and called for Caesar as their king - a Gentile. Then they murdered their rightful king and waged a deadly war against the disciples of the Son of God. So God turned from Israel to a NEW MAN to bring His RULE to pass. If any man was born by the Holy Spirit he would be eligible to RUE in this Coming Kingdom.

After about 2,000 years, God will have completed the number of men needed for His RULE, and so He sends His Son back to earth again, this time NOT to set aside sins, but to militarily defeat the Gentile power. In Genesis Chapter 1 God took 6 days to restore the earth and have His man in place to rule. Just so, God takes 6,000 years to restore man and have His Man (Jesus) in place to RULE. The Kingdom that the prophets, especially Daniel, predicted, is to have NO END. Thus, when Christ Comes again He will initiate and EVERLASTING KINGDOM ON THIS EARTH. But there is still one thing He must do. That is, He must SUBDUE. There are various rebels around and they all need to be SUBDUED. So God sets aside the FIRST one thousand years of this everlasting Kingdom ON EARTH, to subdue all His enemies. They are:
  1. Gentile Government. This is SUBDUED at Armageddon. The Lord cleverly gathers all military power in one place so that when the battle is over, there is no more RESISTANCE
  2. The king of the earth - the Beast. The man who gained universal rule over earth is cast into the Lake of Fire
  3. Satan. He is an angel. He is cast into a subterranean prison and bound. But though he is rendered ineffective, he is not yet subdued
  4. The Gentile Nations. The Gentiles hate Jesus and all He stands for. The carnal man is at enmity with God. They have been SUBDUED at Armageddon militarily, but their hearts are still against God. So Christ SUBDUES them with a rule of the "rod of iron". A "rod" is for chastisement, and iron, unlike steel, is unbending. The heavenly rules from God will be enforced ON EARTH with immediate chastisement and unbending justice
God tests everything. So, after 1,000 years of Christ's rule on earth with the rules of heaven, this Kingdom must be tested. So Satan is let lose for a short season. He goes forth among the nations who still hate God and raises up an army to take Jerusalem, the capital of the world. The leading nation of this rebellion are Gog and Magog. They attack Jerusalem. But it is "The Kingdom of God", so He takes responsibility for His Kingdom and sends fire from heaven. Now all enemies of God are SUBDUED except ONE - death. Billions of men still languish in Hades under the earth. So God raised them from Hades and judges them. In this one clever and powerful move God SUBDUES ALL His enemies INCLUDING DEATH. Men are judged according to whether they were God's enemies or not, and His enemies are cast into a Lake of Fire. ALL problems BUT ONE are sorted by the end of the thousand years. The ONE remaining problem is the SCARS of Satan's rebellion in heaven, and the scars of man's rebellion on earth. So God PURGES them with fire to remove any memory of the former things. With heaven and earth purged, God can, just like Genesis Chapter 1, MAKE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH "PRISTINE". The Greek word for "NEW" means "RENEWED", or "MADE PRISTINE".

At this time, after 7,000 years, God has
  • The earth pristine
  • His King in place ON EARTH
  • Heavenly RULE on earth
  • ALL enemies SUBDUED
  • His Garden of Fellowship as a City with WALLS to keep out profane things
  • A Bride for His Son Jesus
The THOUSAND-YEAR reign of Christ is simply the FIRST thousand years of an everlasting Kingdom ON EARTH, in which He SUBDUES God's enemies on the earth as we know it now. God set forth His councils in Genesis 1:26-28. They ahve to do with THIS EARTH as we know it now. If God does not get what He wants, then His claim that He is ALL-MIGHTY is a lie. If He is ALL-MIGHTY, He will have His Man in place RULING and SUBDUING on THIS EARTH. If any man says that God cannot consummate His councils, he should not be on this Forum.

Concerning WHEN the Christians will RULE with Christ, scripture makes it clear. CHRIST and the CHRISTIANS will rule immediately after HIS COMING.
  • Daniel 2:34-35 says that Christ dashes the Gentile rule to piece when He comes
  • Matthew 24:45-47 says that the faithful SERVANTS of Christ will be made rulers over all that He has when He comes
  • Matthew 25:14-30 says that faithful SERVANTS who multiplied their Talents will be made rulers after He comes
  • Luke 19:17-19 says that diligent SERVANTS who multiplied their Pounds will rule cities after He comes
  • Revelation 2, 12 and 19 show a rule over the nations with a rod of iron
  • Revelation 20 says that this RULE is 1,000 years in duration
  • Revelation 21 and 22 also show a RULE, but not with a NO ROD OF IRON. Why? Because all enemies are SUBDUED
 

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Not sure if this one was left out:

1 Corinthians 6:3a[14] -

"Do you not know that we will judge angels?"


[addressed to/for/about "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" as the "WE" in this text (v.3a), and the "US" in v.14]
 

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#32
I have read your multiple posts of last night. Instead of battling obscure points, I would like to take the opportunity to set forth my argument in general terms. And my first argument is that unless it says so, or unless an absurdity is created, the Bible is LITERAL. Symbolism, Typology, Parable, Allegory and Signs are used extensively, but unless the scripture says so, it is to be taken LITERALLY. If any student of scripture must revert to the argument that something is "Spiritual" when no indication is given, is just refusing to face the plain language of scripture. So, if one doesn't show a reason why one takes something "Spiritually", or allegorically, one is just changing the meaning of God's Word.

When God made man, He made him FROM earth, to be nourished BY earth, so that he could RULE the earth. Even our Lord Jesus is presented as a TREE from which we eat fruit - something connected to THE EARTH. Later, He is BREAD, a Lamb, a Lion and an Egale - all things connected to the earth. God is ALL-mighty, and His councils are IMMUTABLE. God's enemies might DELAY the process of God achieving His goals, but this delay only affords God time to show greater glory. So the man of FAITH can expect to see MAN (plural) ruling the earth at some point. Man is also ordered to "SUBDUE" (Gen.1:26). "SUBDUE" means that a rebellion is in progress and must be put down. Man is also told to bring the Garden of Fellowship "to ORDER" (lit. Heb.). That means that the Garden of Eden was NOT IN ORDER. And we soon see why. There was a serpent in it.

Man did not take God's Words LITERALLY and was deceived in taking the side of the serpent. From that moment on, man did rule the earth, but under the influence of "The Prince of the Power of the Air", and "The Prince of this World". The evil that this union produced cause God to wipe all men and animals, except those in an Ark, off the face of the earth. The offspring of the family in the Ark soon turned to worshiping the creature, and until Joshua crossed the Jordan and started to conquer a small bit of the earth called Canaan, the RULE of this earth was still by men under the influence of Satan. But for a period of just under a thousand years, Israel, under the influence of God's Law, provided a safe haven for God to have His influence. But Israel broke the Law thoroughly and under the terms of the Covenant of Law, were ejected fro Canaan. RULE of this earth was again solely in the hands of the Gentiles.

Some 4,000 years after Adam, God sent His Son Jesus to accomplish TWO things. (i) Put away sins, for these hindered a holy God in having relations with men, and (ii) restore Israel to leading nation on earth. That is, One of God's choice would RULE. The main teaching of Jesus was "the Kingdom (out) OF Heaven" - that is, God's will and rules would be taken from heaven and applied on earth. Israel refused to acknowledge their sin and sins, refused the rule of their King, and called for Caesar as their king - a Gentile. Then they murdered their rightful king and waged a deadly war against the disciples of the Son of God. So God turned from Israel to a NEW MAN to bring His RULE to pass. If any man was born by the Holy Spirit he would be eligible to RUE in this Coming Kingdom.

After about 2,000 years, God will have completed the number of men needed for His RULE, and so He sends His Son back to earth again, this time NOT to set aside sins, but to militarily defeat the Gentile power. In Genesis Chapter 1 God took 6 days to restore the earth and have His man in place to rule. Just so, God takes 6,000 years to restore man and have His Man (Jesus) in place to RULE. The Kingdom that the prophets, especially Daniel, predicted, is to have NO END. Thus, when Christ Comes again He will initiate and EVERLASTING KINGDOM ON THIS EARTH. But there is still one thing He must do. That is, He must SUBDUE. There are various rebels around and they all need to be SUBDUED. So God sets aside the FIRST one thousand years of this everlasting Kingdom ON EARTH, to subdue all His enemies. They are:
  1. Gentile Government. This is SUBDUED at Armageddon. The Lord cleverly gathers all military power in one place so that when the battle is over, there is no more RESISTANCE
  2. The king of the earth - the Beast. The man who gained universal rule over earth is cast into the Lake of Fire
  3. Satan. He is an angel. He is cast into a subterranean prison and bound. But though he is rendered ineffective, he is not yet subdued
  4. The Gentile Nations. The Gentiles hate Jesus and all He stands for. The carnal man is at enmity with God. They have been SUBDUED at Armageddon militarily, but their hearts are still against God. So Christ SUBDUES them with a rule of the "rod of iron". A "rod" is for chastisement, and iron, unlike steel, is unbending. The heavenly rules from God will be enforced ON EARTH with immediate chastisement and unbending justice
God tests everything. So, after 1,000 years of Christ's rule on earth with the rules of heaven, this Kingdom must be tested. So Satan is let lose for a short season. He goes forth among the nations who still hate God and raises up an army to take Jerusalem, the capital of the world. The leading nation of this rebellion are Gog and Magog. They attack Jerusalem. But it is "The Kingdom of God", so He takes responsibility for His Kingdom and sends fire from heaven. Now all enemies of God are SUBDUED except ONE - death. Billions of men still languish in Hades under the earth. So God raised them from Hades and judges them. In this one clever and powerful move God SUBDUES ALL His enemies INCLUDING DEATH. Men are judged according to whether they were God's enemies or not, and His enemies are cast into a Lake of Fire. ALL problems BUT ONE are sorted by the end of the thousand years. The ONE remaining problem is the SCARS of Satan's rebellion in heaven, and the scars of man's rebellion on earth. So God PURGES them with fire to remove any memory of the former things. With heaven and earth purged, God can, just like Genesis Chapter 1, MAKE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH "PRISTINE". The Greek word for "NEW" means "RENEWED", or "MADE PRISTINE".

At this time, after 7,000 years, God has
  • The earth pristine
  • His King in place ON EARTH
  • Heavenly RULE on earth
  • ALL enemies SUBDUED
  • His Garden of Fellowship as a City with WALLS to keep out profane things
  • A Bride for His Son Jesus
The THOUSAND-YEAR reign of Christ is simply the FIRST thousand years of an everlasting Kingdom ON EARTH, in which He SUBDUES God's enemies on the earth as we know it now. God set forth His councils in Genesis 1:26-28. They ahve to do with THIS EARTH as we know it now. If God does not get what He wants, then His claim that He is ALL-MIGHTY is a lie. If He is ALL-MIGHTY, He will have His Man in place RULING and SUBDUING on THIS EARTH. If any man says that God cannot consummate His councils, he should not be on this Forum.

Concerning WHEN the Christians will RULE with Christ, scripture makes it clear. CHRIST and the CHRISTIANS will rule immediately after HIS COMING.
  • Daniel 2:34-35 says that Christ dashes the Gentile rule to piece when He comes
  • Matthew 24:45-47 says that the faithful SERVANTS of Christ will be made rulers over all that He has when He comes
  • Matthew 25:14-30 says that faithful SERVANTS who multiplied their Talents will be made rulers after He comes
  • Luke 19:17-19 says that diligent SERVANTS who multiplied their Pounds will rule cities after He comes
  • Revelation 2, 12 and 19 show a rule over the nations with a rod of iron
  • Revelation 20 says that this RULE is 1,000 years in duration
  • Revelation 21 and 22 also show a RULE, but not with a NO ROD OF IRON. Why? Because all enemies are SUBDUED
There is no Kingdom or Mortal Humans seen below, it's 100% in the Lord's (Spiritual Realm) of no earthly time.

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ.

100% Spiritual Realm, No Kingdom On Earth Or Humans Seen, Oh No :eek:

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 

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I have read your multiple posts of last night. Instead of battling obscure points, I would like to take the opportunity to set forth my argument in general terms. And my first argument is that unless it says so, or unless an absurdity is created, the Bible is LITERAL. Symbolism, Typology, Parable, Allegory and Signs are used extensively, but unless the scripture says so, it is to be taken LITERALLY. If any student of scripture must revert to the argument that something is "Spiritual" when no indication is given, is just refusing to face the plain language of scripture. So, if one doesn't show a reason why one takes something "Spiritually", or allegorically, one is just changing the meaning of God's Word.

When God made man, He made him FROM earth, to be nourished BY earth, so that he could RULE the earth. Even our Lord Jesus is presented as a TREE from which we eat fruit - something connected to THE EARTH. Later, He is BREAD, a Lamb, a Lion and an Egale - all things connected to the earth. God is ALL-mighty, and His councils are IMMUTABLE. God's enemies might DELAY the process of God achieving His goals, but this delay only affords God time to show greater glory. So the man of FAITH can expect to see MAN (plural) ruling the earth at some point. Man is also ordered to "SUBDUE" (Gen.1:26). "SUBDUE" means that a rebellion is in progress and must be put down. Man is also told to bring the Garden of Fellowship "to ORDER" (lit. Heb.). That means that the Garden of Eden was NOT IN ORDER. And we soon see why. There was a serpent in it.

Man did not take God's Words LITERALLY and was deceived in taking the side of the serpent. From that moment on, man did rule the earth, but under the influence of "The Prince of the Power of the Air", and "The Prince of this World". The evil that this union produced cause God to wipe all men and animals, except those in an Ark, off the face of the earth. The offspring of the family in the Ark soon turned to worshiping the creature, and until Joshua crossed the Jordan and started to conquer a small bit of the earth called Canaan, the RULE of this earth was still by men under the influence of Satan. But for a period of just under a thousand years, Israel, under the influence of God's Law, provided a safe haven for God to have His influence. But Israel broke the Law thoroughly and under the terms of the Covenant of Law, were ejected fro Canaan. RULE of this earth was again solely in the hands of the Gentiles.

Some 4,000 years after Adam, God sent His Son Jesus to accomplish TWO things. (i) Put away sins, for these hindered a holy God in having relations with men, and (ii) restore Israel to leading nation on earth. That is, One of God's choice would RULE. The main teaching of Jesus was "the Kingdom (out) OF Heaven" - that is, God's will and rules would be taken from heaven and applied on earth. Israel refused to acknowledge their sin and sins, refused the rule of their King, and called for Caesar as their king - a Gentile. Then they murdered their rightful king and waged a deadly war against the disciples of the Son of God. So God turned from Israel to a NEW MAN to bring His RULE to pass. If any man was born by the Holy Spirit he would be eligible to RUE in this Coming Kingdom.

After about 2,000 years, God will have completed the number of men needed for His RULE, and so He sends His Son back to earth again, this time NOT to set aside sins, but to militarily defeat the Gentile power. In Genesis Chapter 1 God took 6 days to restore the earth and have His man in place to rule. Just so, God takes 6,000 years to restore man and have His Man (Jesus) in place to RULE. The Kingdom that the prophets, especially Daniel, predicted, is to have NO END. Thus, when Christ Comes again He will initiate and EVERLASTING KINGDOM ON THIS EARTH. But there is still one thing He must do. That is, He must SUBDUE. There are various rebels around and they all need to be SUBDUED. So God sets aside the FIRST one thousand years of this everlasting Kingdom ON EARTH, to subdue all His enemies. They are:
  1. Gentile Government. This is SUBDUED at Armageddon. The Lord cleverly gathers all military power in one place so that when the battle is over, there is no more RESISTANCE
  2. The king of the earth - the Beast. The man who gained universal rule over earth is cast into the Lake of Fire
  3. Satan. He is an angel. He is cast into a subterranean prison and bound. But though he is rendered ineffective, he is not yet subdued
  4. The Gentile Nations. The Gentiles hate Jesus and all He stands for. The carnal man is at enmity with God. They have been SUBDUED at Armageddon militarily, but their hearts are still against God. So Christ SUBDUES them with a rule of the "rod of iron". A "rod" is for chastisement, and iron, unlike steel, is unbending. The heavenly rules from God will be enforced ON EARTH with immediate chastisement and unbending justice
God tests everything. So, after 1,000 years of Christ's rule on earth with the rules of heaven, this Kingdom must be tested. So Satan is let lose for a short season. He goes forth among the nations who still hate God and raises up an army to take Jerusalem, the capital of the world. The leading nation of this rebellion are Gog and Magog. They attack Jerusalem. But it is "The Kingdom of God", so He takes responsibility for His Kingdom and sends fire from heaven. Now all enemies of God are SUBDUED except ONE - death. Billions of men still languish in Hades under the earth. So God raised them from Hades and judges them. In this one clever and powerful move God SUBDUES ALL His enemies INCLUDING DEATH. Men are judged according to whether they were God's enemies or not, and His enemies are cast into a Lake of Fire. ALL problems BUT ONE are sorted by the end of the thousand years. The ONE remaining problem is the SCARS of Satan's rebellion in heaven, and the scars of man's rebellion on earth. So God PURGES them with fire to remove any memory of the former things. With heaven and earth purged, God can, just like Genesis Chapter 1, MAKE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH "PRISTINE". The Greek word for "NEW" means "RENEWED", or "MADE PRISTINE".

At this time, after 7,000 years, God has
  • The earth pristine
  • His King in place ON EARTH
  • Heavenly RULE on earth
  • ALL enemies SUBDUED
  • His Garden of Fellowship as a City with WALLS to keep out profane things
  • A Bride for His Son Jesus
The THOUSAND-YEAR reign of Christ is simply the FIRST thousand years of an everlasting Kingdom ON EARTH, in which He SUBDUES God's enemies on the earth as we know it now. God set forth His councils in Genesis 1:26-28. They ahve to do with THIS EARTH as we know it now. If God does not get what He wants, then His claim that He is ALL-MIGHTY is a lie. If He is ALL-MIGHTY, He will have His Man in place RULING and SUBDUING on THIS EARTH. If any man says that God cannot consummate His councils, he should not be on this Forum.

Concerning WHEN the Christians will RULE with Christ, scripture makes it clear. CHRIST and the CHRISTIANS will rule immediately after HIS COMING.
  • Daniel 2:34-35 says that Christ dashes the Gentile rule to piece when He comes
  • Matthew 24:45-47 says that the faithful SERVANTS of Christ will be made rulers over all that He has when He comes
  • Matthew 25:14-30 says that faithful SERVANTS who multiplied their Talents will be made rulers after He comes
  • Luke 19:17-19 says that diligent SERVANTS who multiplied their Pounds will rule cities after He comes
  • Revelation 2, 12 and 19 show a rule over the nations with a rod of iron
  • Revelation 20 says that this RULE is 1,000 years in duration
  • Revelation 21 and 22 also show a RULE, but not with a NO ROD OF IRON. Why? Because all enemies are SUBDUED
(Rule Them With A Rod Of Iron?)

You take the very context of Revelation 19:15 below and "Falsely Claim" this represents Jesus Christ reigns on this earth for 1,000 years?

As scripture "Clearly Teaches" so easy a 3rd grader could understand, the rod of iron is as a potter destroying clay vessels he made, showing the Lord's destruction of man at his return, in firceness and wrath.

Will you continue to "Falsely Teach" this represents a 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ On Earth?

Psalms 2:9KJV
Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron;
thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Revelation 2:27KJV
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers:
even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 19:15KJV
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
 

Truth7t7

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I have read your multiple posts of last night. Instead of battling obscure points, I would like to take the opportunity to set forth my argument in general terms. And my first argument is that unless it says so, or unless an absurdity is created, the Bible is LITERAL. Symbolism, Typology, Parable, Allegory and Signs are used extensively, but unless the scripture says so, it is to be taken LITERALLY. If any student of scripture must revert to the argument that something is "Spiritual" when no indication is given, is just refusing to face the plain language of scripture. So, if one doesn't show a reason why one takes something "Spiritually", or allegorically, one is just changing the meaning of God's Word.

When God made man, He made him FROM earth, to be nourished BY earth, so that he could RULE the earth. Even our Lord Jesus is presented as a TREE from which we eat fruit - something connected to THE EARTH. Later, He is BREAD, a Lamb, a Lion and an Egale - all things connected to the earth. God is ALL-mighty, and His councils are IMMUTABLE. God's enemies might DELAY the process of God achieving His goals, but this delay only affords God time to show greater glory. So the man of FAITH can expect to see MAN (plural) ruling the earth at some point. Man is also ordered to "SUBDUE" (Gen.1:26). "SUBDUE" means that a rebellion is in progress and must be put down. Man is also told to bring the Garden of Fellowship "to ORDER" (lit. Heb.). That means that the Garden of Eden was NOT IN ORDER. And we soon see why. There was a serpent in it.

Man did not take God's Words LITERALLY and was deceived in taking the side of the serpent. From that moment on, man did rule the earth, but under the influence of "The Prince of the Power of the Air", and "The Prince of this World". The evil that this union produced cause God to wipe all men and animals, except those in an Ark, off the face of the earth. The offspring of the family in the Ark soon turned to worshiping the creature, and until Joshua crossed the Jordan and started to conquer a small bit of the earth called Canaan, the RULE of this earth was still by men under the influence of Satan. But for a period of just under a thousand years, Israel, under the influence of God's Law, provided a safe haven for God to have His influence. But Israel broke the Law thoroughly and under the terms of the Covenant of Law, were ejected fro Canaan. RULE of this earth was again solely in the hands of the Gentiles.

Some 4,000 years after Adam, God sent His Son Jesus to accomplish TWO things. (i) Put away sins, for these hindered a holy God in having relations with men, and (ii) restore Israel to leading nation on earth. That is, One of God's choice would RULE. The main teaching of Jesus was "the Kingdom (out) OF Heaven" - that is, God's will and rules would be taken from heaven and applied on earth. Israel refused to acknowledge their sin and sins, refused the rule of their King, and called for Caesar as their king - a Gentile. Then they murdered their rightful king and waged a deadly war against the disciples of the Son of God. So God turned from Israel to a NEW MAN to bring His RULE to pass. If any man was born by the Holy Spirit he would be eligible to RUE in this Coming Kingdom.

After about 2,000 years, God will have completed the number of men needed for His RULE, and so He sends His Son back to earth again, this time NOT to set aside sins, but to militarily defeat the Gentile power. In Genesis Chapter 1 God took 6 days to restore the earth and have His man in place to rule. Just so, God takes 6,000 years to restore man and have His Man (Jesus) in place to RULE. The Kingdom that the prophets, especially Daniel, predicted, is to have NO END. Thus, when Christ Comes again He will initiate and EVERLASTING KINGDOM ON THIS EARTH. But there is still one thing He must do. That is, He must SUBDUE. There are various rebels around and they all need to be SUBDUED. So God sets aside the FIRST one thousand years of this everlasting Kingdom ON EARTH, to subdue all His enemies. They are:
  1. Gentile Government. This is SUBDUED at Armageddon. The Lord cleverly gathers all military power in one place so that when the battle is over, there is no more RESISTANCE
  2. The king of the earth - the Beast. The man who gained universal rule over earth is cast into the Lake of Fire
  3. Satan. He is an angel. He is cast into a subterranean prison and bound. But though he is rendered ineffective, he is not yet subdued
  4. The Gentile Nations. The Gentiles hate Jesus and all He stands for. The carnal man is at enmity with God. They have been SUBDUED at Armageddon militarily, but their hearts are still against God. So Christ SUBDUES them with a rule of the "rod of iron". A "rod" is for chastisement, and iron, unlike steel, is unbending. The heavenly rules from God will be enforced ON EARTH with immediate chastisement and unbending justice
God tests everything. So, after 1,000 years of Christ's rule on earth with the rules of heaven, this Kingdom must be tested. So Satan is let lose for a short season. He goes forth among the nations who still hate God and raises up an army to take Jerusalem, the capital of the world. The leading nation of this rebellion are Gog and Magog. They attack Jerusalem. But it is "The Kingdom of God", so He takes responsibility for His Kingdom and sends fire from heaven. Now all enemies of God are SUBDUED except ONE - death. Billions of men still languish in Hades under the earth. So God raised them from Hades and judges them. In this one clever and powerful move God SUBDUES ALL His enemies INCLUDING DEATH. Men are judged according to whether they were God's enemies or not, and His enemies are cast into a Lake of Fire. ALL problems BUT ONE are sorted by the end of the thousand years. The ONE remaining problem is the SCARS of Satan's rebellion in heaven, and the scars of man's rebellion on earth. So God PURGES them with fire to remove any memory of the former things. With heaven and earth purged, God can, just like Genesis Chapter 1, MAKE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH "PRISTINE". The Greek word for "NEW" means "RENEWED", or "MADE PRISTINE".

At this time, after 7,000 years, God has
  • The earth pristine
  • His King in place ON EARTH
  • Heavenly RULE on earth
  • ALL enemies SUBDUED
  • His Garden of Fellowship as a City with WALLS to keep out profane things
  • A Bride for His Son Jesus
The THOUSAND-YEAR reign of Christ is simply the FIRST thousand years of an everlasting Kingdom ON EARTH, in which He SUBDUES God's enemies on the earth as we know it now. God set forth His councils in Genesis 1:26-28. They ahve to do with THIS EARTH as we know it now. If God does not get what He wants, then His claim that He is ALL-MIGHTY is a lie. If He is ALL-MIGHTY, He will have His Man in place RULING and SUBDUING on THIS EARTH. If any man says that God cannot consummate His councils, he should not be on this Forum.

Concerning WHEN the Christians will RULE with Christ, scripture makes it clear. CHRIST and the CHRISTIANS will rule immediately after HIS COMING.
  • Daniel 2:34-35 says that Christ dashes the Gentile rule to piece when He comes
  • Matthew 24:45-47 says that the faithful SERVANTS of Christ will be made rulers over all that He has when He comes
  • Matthew 25:14-30 says that faithful SERVANTS who multiplied their Talents will be made rulers after He comes
  • Luke 19:17-19 says that diligent SERVANTS who multiplied their Pounds will rule cities after He comes
  • Revelation 2, 12 and 19 show a rule over the nations with a rod of iron
  • Revelation 20 says that this RULE is 1,000 years in duration
  • Revelation 21 and 22 also show a RULE, but not with a NO ROD OF IRON. Why? Because all enemies are SUBDUED
Will you also deny that (The End Comes) at the return of Jesus Christ, as clearly taught below?

There is no 1,000 year kingdom on this earth seen, between verses 23-24 below?

1 Corinthians 15:22-26KJV
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end
, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
 
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8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
"And it shall be in THAT DAY, that living waters went out from Jerusalem".... According to the bible living waters went out of Jerusalem when Jesus came the first time.

Doesn't that mean that mean Zechariah 14 was fulfilled then? Or is there going to be some type of new living water flowing out of Jerusalem 2000 years after these living waters started flowing?


Joh_4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Joh_4:11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
Joh_7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
 

Truth7t7

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"And it shall be in THAT DAY, that living waters went out from Jerusalem".... According to the bible living waters went out of Jerusalem when Jesus came the first time.

Doesn't that mean that mean Zechariah 14 was fulfilled then? Or is there going to be some type of new living water flowing out of Jerusalem 2000 years after these living waters started flowing?


Joh_4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Joh_4:11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
Joh_7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
You deny a future New Heaven, Earth, And Jerusalem as seen below, your belief is seen as (Full Preterism)

You also deny a future coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens

You also deny a future resurrection of the believer, receiving the glorified immortal body

No Revelation 22:1-5 below was not fulfilled when the living waters in Jesus Christ walked the earth.

Zechariah Chapter 14 is the future kingdom as seen in Revelation 22:1-5 below, with more detail, future events that you deny us seen in the scripture

Revelation 22:1-5KJV
22 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
 

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Living waters flow east ....... very great multitude of fish

Ezekiel 47:3-9 (KJV)
3 And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.

4 Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.

5 Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.

6 And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.

7 Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.

8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.

9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
 

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Living waters flow east ....... very great multitude of fish

Ezekiel 47:3-9 (KJV)
3 And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.

4 Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.

5 Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.

6 And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.

7 Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.

8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.

9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
Exactly Correct, Ezekiel Chapter 47 is a glimpse at the Eternal Kingdom, you see men fishing with fishing nets spread on the banks.

You will closely note that Ezekiel 47:12 & Revelation 22:1-2 is the same place, (The Eternal Kingdom)

Ezekiel 47:7-12KJV
7 Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.
8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.
11 But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
22 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
 
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Will you also deny that (The End Comes) at the return of Jesus Christ, as clearly taught below?

There is no 1,000 year kingdom on this earth seen, between verses 23-24 below?

1 Corinthians 15:22-26KJV
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end
, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
The Bible is just under 1,200 chapters. Is the crucifixion in every Chapter? 1st Corinthians 15 deals with the resurrection, not the Millennium. But if you don't believe the plain language of Revelation 20, but "spiritualize" it, what use is 1st Corinthians 15? This you will simply "spiritualize" and suck any meaning out of it. But for the other readers I will show the period of RULE here in 1st Corinthians 15.

Verse 22 establishes that ALL men are headed for death, and that ALL men will be resurrected
Verse 23 gives an order, or sequence, Christ first, then, some 2,000 years later "those who are Christ's". Christ is Head of the Church and we are bought, so the Church is resurrected "when He comes". But Christ is also King and owner of Israel. So they are resurrected "when He comes". Notice that "the REST OF THE DEAD" are NOT resurrected then. Only "those who are His".
Verse 24 gives the next in the sequence. Since verse 22 says "ALL men", the "END" cannot be when Christ comes, for ONLY "those who are His" are raised then.
Verse 24 shows a PERIOD after "HE comes", when He "PUTS DOWN ALL RULE AND AUTHORITY AND POWER". How long this takes is not said here, but the next verse gives a clue.
Verse 25 tells what happens between the raising of "those who are His" and " the end". Christ must "REIGN!"
Verse 26 gives the END of this period "OF REIGN". It is when there is no more death. When death is abolished. That can only be when ever man who died is resurrected.

So, the sequence is:
  1. Christ's resurrection
  2. 2,000 years later, "those who are Christ's, but NOT those who do NOT belong to Jesus
  3. Then a determined TIME OF RULING or REIGNING in which ALL authorities, powers and rules are "PUT DOWN" or "SUBDUED"
  4. Then an event where DEATH is defeated and destroyed - a general resurrection

This sequence is found PERFECTLY in Revelation 20
  1. Christ the, resurrected one, COMES (end of Chapter 19)
  2. Those who are His were "slain", but now "live" (Rev.20:4)
  3. Those who now "live" also REIGN WITH Christ. This time the PERIOD is given - 1,000 years
  4. Enemies are SUBDUED. Satan is bound and imprisoned
  5. The nations, enemies of Christ and Jehovah are RULED
  6. Satan is allowed free for a short while, showing that Christ is in command of Satan
  7. The Nations are allowed to raise an army
  8. BOTH Satan and the armies of the world are defeated - subdued.
  9. Many are killed so death is not yet subdued.
  10. The comes a general resurrection of the "REST of the DEAD"
  11. Death is defeated by all men being alive
  12. God purges and renews the heavens and the earth
And so Revelation Chapter 20 matches perfectly with 1st Corinthians 15. The only difference is that 1st Corinthians 15 teaches about the resurrection and Revelation 20 shows Christ defeating enemies - the last of which is death.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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^ Yes, to the SEQUENCE.



Only thing I would insert is... [this part of the sequence]:

--"firstfruit Christ"

--"THEN [epeita] they that ARE Christ's at His coming"

--THEN [eita] the end (just as you have it--the end of the MK age [where the GWTj "fits" into the chronology])


...where the first in this LIST says, "firstfruit Christ," this should be read in conjunction also with the following verse:

"For, even as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of the one body, being many, are one body, so also is the Christ"

[pertaining to "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"... of whom "our Rapture" SOLELY pertains (Eph1:20-23 WHEN [as to its existence]); being "legally/positionally" IN CHRIST]