WHAT IS SOON TO COME TO PASS IN THIS WORLD - BIBLE PROPHECY
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ἀποστασία, ας, ἡ. as a condition resulting from changing loyalties revolt, desertion; as a religious technical term; (1) apostasy, rebellion (2TH 2.3); (2) defection, abandonment (AC 21.21) ALGNT
646. ἀποστασία apostasía; gen. apostasías, fem. noun from aphístēmi (G0868), to depart. Departure, apostasy. Occurs in Acts 21:21 translated "forsake" and in 2 Thess. 2:3, "a falling away"; Sept.: 2 Chr. 29:19; Jer. 29:32. In Acts 21:21 the new Christian believers among the Jews, having departed from Moses and coming to Jesus Christ, decided that they should stay apart from Moses, i.e., their Judaistic practices, for they were in a new dispensation. They were not Judaizing Christians, but Christians standing apart from Moses. In 2 Thess. 2:3 the word apostasía does not refer to genuine Christians who depart from the faith, but mere professors who, without divine grace, succumb to the Satanic deception of the Antichrist. If those who are truly Christ's and through the Holy Spirit have become members of His body (1 Cor. 12:13) could be detached, then the assurances Jesus gave that His own will not perish would be made null and void (John 10:28, 29). See Sept.: 2 Chr. 29:19. CWSB
ἀποστασία In the NT this sense occurs in Acts 5:37; 15:38; 19:9. Decline from God is the meaning in Heb. 3:12. In 1 Tim. 4:1 apostasy involves capitulation to heretical beliefs as an eschatological phenomenon. An absolute use is found in Lk. 8:13 and cf. Rev. 3:8. TDNT
[686] ἀποστασία apostasia 2x a falling away, a rebellion, apostasy, Acts 21:21; 2 Thess. 2:3* Mounce
3. apostasia (ἀποστασία, 646), “a defection, revolt, apostasy,” is used in the NT of religious apostasy; in Acts 21:21, it is translated “to forsake,” lit., “thou teachest apostasy from Moses.” In 2 Thess. 2:3“the falling away” signifies apostasy from the faith. In papyri documents it is used politically of rebels. Note: For “mighty fall,” Rev. 18:21, RV, see violence. Vines.
Study your Greek for a more precise meaning. The flesh hates to study.
646. ἀποστασία apostasía; gen. apostasías, fem. noun from aphístēmi (G0868), to depart. Departure, apostasy. Occurs in Acts 21:21 translated "forsake" and in 2 Thess. 2:3, "a falling away"; Sept.: 2 Chr. 29:19; Jer. 29:32. In Acts 21:21 the new Christian believers among the Jews, having departed from Moses and coming to Jesus Christ, decided that they should stay apart from Moses, i.e., their Judaistic practices, for they were in a new dispensation. They were not Judaizing Christians, but Christians standing apart from Moses. In 2 Thess. 2:3 the word apostasía does not refer to genuine Christians who depart from the faith, but mere professors who, without divine grace, succumb to the Satanic deception of the Antichrist. If those who are truly Christ's and through the Holy Spirit have become members of His body (1 Cor. 12:13) could be detached, then the assurances Jesus gave that His own will not perish would be made null and void (John 10:28, 29). See Sept.: 2 Chr. 29:19. CWSB
ἀποστασία In the NT this sense occurs in Acts 5:37; 15:38; 19:9. Decline from God is the meaning in Heb. 3:12. In 1 Tim. 4:1 apostasy involves capitulation to heretical beliefs as an eschatological phenomenon. An absolute use is found in Lk. 8:13 and cf. Rev. 3:8. TDNT
[686] ἀποστασία apostasia 2x a falling away, a rebellion, apostasy, Acts 21:21; 2 Thess. 2:3* Mounce
3. apostasia (ἀποστασία, 646), “a defection, revolt, apostasy,” is used in the NT of religious apostasy; in Acts 21:21, it is translated “to forsake,” lit., “thou teachest apostasy from Moses.” In 2 Thess. 2:3“the falling away” signifies apostasy from the faith. In papyri documents it is used politically of rebels. Note: For “mighty fall,” Rev. 18:21, RV, see violence. Vines.
Study your Greek for a more precise meaning. The flesh hates to study.
The "falling away first in 2 Thess. 2:3," that you have posted for the meaning "apostasy" is 100% Scripturally out of context and incorrect. This verse speaks of the Rapture, which, in essence, says the Second Coming cannot take place until certain things happen. It speaks of the Antichrist, who must come upon the world scene before the Second Coming.
You have been shown Truth in its righteous context that points to Calvary - the narrow way; why do you reject it?
You have been shown Truth in its righteous context that points to Calvary - the narrow way; why do you reject it?
You are so unbelievably arrogant. I know better scholars than us, including Greek ones who hold differing views on that passage. Some hold it to mean departure as in rapture and some take it to mean apostasy as in falling away.
But oh no, here comes Mr. Message of the Cross to say "You have been shown Truth..".
No, what I have been shown, is how arrogant and conceited you are!
And now you are on 'ignore' as that is the best way I have found not to waste valuable time with endless wrangling and squabbling.
Thanks, but I have God's Word, the Holy Spirit, working through members of His Body and myself, to show truth.
But oh no, here comes Mr. Message of the Cross to say "You have been shown Truth..".
No, what I have been shown, is how arrogant and conceited you are!
And now you are on 'ignore' as that is the best way I have found not to waste valuable time with endless wrangling and squabbling.
Thanks, but I have God's Word, the Holy Spirit, working through members of His Body and myself, to show truth.
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here is a short video we have to look forward to and includes some of the items you mention...
http://mobilelaz.com/judgmentday/thedayofthelord.mp4
http://mobilelaz.com/judgmentday/thedayofthelord.mp4
Has anyone done a study on the feast days? I think that they are actually really important for the prophetic timelione of things and maybe doing a deeper study on them could give us some insight.
Personally I think the feast of trumpets is the first one to be looking at at since it is in septemeber not to far down the line.
Now of course it is pretty common knowledge that this feast day is almost always likened to the harapzo catching away the sudden vanishing the twinkling of an eye and the rapture and probably for good reason.
But it also signifies the wedding of the lamb the crowning of the king and other things in bible prophecy.
I find it interesting that in the first four feast days Jesus came and fulfilled each and everyone one exactly as it was designed the last three after the resurection has yet to be fulfilled except for pentecost.
The feast of tabernacles comes in October which I believe signifies the saftey and preservation of his church being covered in his love and wings of safety and warmth
The interesting thing about the numbers of 20 biblically not cult is that it represents a rewarding of patiently awaiting or a complete and perfect waiting period. Ever since Christs ascention people have been waiting and watching for his return or for the rapture of the church.
Even the famous words in scripture They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation. are widely used words when it comes to the rapture even I myself find myself asking God this.
the number 20 of course derives from ten and two the two being unity and togetherness as well as seperation and division bringning to mind the parable of the wheat and the tares, the enemt would come in the night to sow bad seeds of the feild of good seeds wheat and tares are similar looking so you have a hard time telling the difference but at the end of the parable the farmer seperates and gathers the wheat to take to a safe place to store and burns the tares. a very descriptive image of the number meaning of twenty.
However this year alone is not the main issue, while we have literally been watching prophecy unfold before us in the news the next year is going to be a very interesting one, the biblical meaning of the number twenty is more dark it represents rebellion and sin
But as I stated earlier the focus is on the feast days not biblical numerology however I did think they were things to consider.
If say the feast of trumpets is the day to anticipate the rapture being the holiday that literally no man knows the day or hour as it is based on the lunar cycle as a wandering holiday only in a new moon does it actually begin and every year is different. and then comes tabernacle which is supposed to represent the image of holding keeping and protecting if say we were taken home by then then this would be fulfilling the prophetic meaning of the holiday or at the very least if chaos goes abound then if we are secure and safe even in the midst of this that also would be fulfilling it.
personally as far as bible prophecy goes we should be aware and actually take a deeper study into it, I call it the meat of meats of scripture for a good reason but at the same time it also may not be as complicated to understand as we think.
We all assume God didn't give us a map to follow on the events of the rapture the end times the tribulation ect. but even the bible predicted the jews would come back to their land which happened in I think 1948 and then the bible predicts that they will reclaim Jerusalem as well and in the six day war which I think is 1967 they did just that.
The fig tree Jesus speaks of in his parable is meant to represent Israel he said when asked when all of these things will happen to look to the fig tree.
The jews are God's most rebellious and most beloved it makes sense he would use them as a key pointer and map to know when these things will happen in 1948 the end times officially began
If you couldn't tell I have been thinking alot about all this
Personally I think the feast of trumpets is the first one to be looking at at since it is in septemeber not to far down the line.
Now of course it is pretty common knowledge that this feast day is almost always likened to the harapzo catching away the sudden vanishing the twinkling of an eye and the rapture and probably for good reason.
But it also signifies the wedding of the lamb the crowning of the king and other things in bible prophecy.
I find it interesting that in the first four feast days Jesus came and fulfilled each and everyone one exactly as it was designed the last three after the resurection has yet to be fulfilled except for pentecost.
The feast of tabernacles comes in October which I believe signifies the saftey and preservation of his church being covered in his love and wings of safety and warmth
The interesting thing about the numbers of 20 biblically not cult is that it represents a rewarding of patiently awaiting or a complete and perfect waiting period. Ever since Christs ascention people have been waiting and watching for his return or for the rapture of the church.
Even the famous words in scripture They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation. are widely used words when it comes to the rapture even I myself find myself asking God this.
the number 20 of course derives from ten and two the two being unity and togetherness as well as seperation and division bringning to mind the parable of the wheat and the tares, the enemt would come in the night to sow bad seeds of the feild of good seeds wheat and tares are similar looking so you have a hard time telling the difference but at the end of the parable the farmer seperates and gathers the wheat to take to a safe place to store and burns the tares. a very descriptive image of the number meaning of twenty.
However this year alone is not the main issue, while we have literally been watching prophecy unfold before us in the news the next year is going to be a very interesting one, the biblical meaning of the number twenty is more dark it represents rebellion and sin
But as I stated earlier the focus is on the feast days not biblical numerology however I did think they were things to consider.
If say the feast of trumpets is the day to anticipate the rapture being the holiday that literally no man knows the day or hour as it is based on the lunar cycle as a wandering holiday only in a new moon does it actually begin and every year is different. and then comes tabernacle which is supposed to represent the image of holding keeping and protecting if say we were taken home by then then this would be fulfilling the prophetic meaning of the holiday or at the very least if chaos goes abound then if we are secure and safe even in the midst of this that also would be fulfilling it.
personally as far as bible prophecy goes we should be aware and actually take a deeper study into it, I call it the meat of meats of scripture for a good reason but at the same time it also may not be as complicated to understand as we think.
We all assume God didn't give us a map to follow on the events of the rapture the end times the tribulation ect. but even the bible predicted the jews would come back to their land which happened in I think 1948 and then the bible predicts that they will reclaim Jerusalem as well and in the six day war which I think is 1967 they did just that.
The fig tree Jesus speaks of in his parable is meant to represent Israel he said when asked when all of these things will happen to look to the fig tree.
The jews are God's most rebellious and most beloved it makes sense he would use them as a key pointer and map to know when these things will happen in 1948 the end times officially began
If you couldn't tell I have been thinking alot about all this
From he posted there appears to be two different judgements I didn't know there was. I had a dream of the judgment once I called it the book of recorded deeds but instead of fearing being judged I ran right past it to Jesus toppling him in my arms. I don't know if that judgement was a good one or not I never really understood the judgement to be honest
END-TIMES (OF FIRST CENTURY ISRAEL) EVENTS
1. The Rapture of the Church - 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 happens to us each when we die.
2. The Great Tribulation - Matthew 24:21-22 The first century siege of Jerusalem
3. The Rise of the Antichrist - 2 Thessalonians 2:8-9 Titus, son of the 7th head of the Beast, Vespasian
4. The Battle of Armageddon - Revelation 16:16; Zechariah 14:1-2 Place Roman soldiers gathered before laying siege to Jerusalem
5. The Judgement Seat of Christ 2 Corinthians 5:10 Once we die and stand before the throne
6. The Second Coming of Christ Matthew 24:29-30; Revelation 19:11-14 To oversee the fall of the temple and Jerusalem
7. The Kingdom Age - Revelation 20:4; Isaiah 2:4; 9:6-7; 35:1-3 Which we are in now
8. The Great White Throne Judgment - Revelation 20:11 Judgment of the damned
9. The Perfect Age - Eternal - Revelation 21 & 22 Picture of Heaven available now when we die
1. The Rapture of the Church - 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 happens to us each when we die.
2. The Great Tribulation - Matthew 24:21-22 The first century siege of Jerusalem
3. The Rise of the Antichrist - 2 Thessalonians 2:8-9 Titus, son of the 7th head of the Beast, Vespasian
4. The Battle of Armageddon - Revelation 16:16; Zechariah 14:1-2 Place Roman soldiers gathered before laying siege to Jerusalem
5. The Judgement Seat of Christ 2 Corinthians 5:10 Once we die and stand before the throne
6. The Second Coming of Christ Matthew 24:29-30; Revelation 19:11-14 To oversee the fall of the temple and Jerusalem
7. The Kingdom Age - Revelation 20:4; Isaiah 2:4; 9:6-7; 35:1-3 Which we are in now
8. The Great White Throne Judgment - Revelation 20:11 Judgment of the damned
9. The Perfect Age - Eternal - Revelation 21 & 22 Picture of Heaven available now when we die
I wonder, were there any religious types in Jerusalem in Paul's day engaging in any spiritual adultery?
John 19:15 But they cried out, “Away with Him, away with Him! Crucify Him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?” The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar!”
What do we call those who deny their Messiah as their king and instead declare a foreign emperor as their true king? Then they started offering up sacrifices to Caesar in the temple. After that they had gay orgies and drank wine from the sacred temple utensils. Could any of that be considered a slight falling away???
John 19:15 But they cried out, “Away with Him, away with Him! Crucify Him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?” The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar!”
What do we call those who deny their Messiah as their king and instead declare a foreign emperor as their true king? Then they started offering up sacrifices to Caesar in the temple. After that they had gay orgies and drank wine from the sacred temple utensils. Could any of that be considered a slight falling away???
