The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

[PlainWord]

(Full Preterism) is heretical.

Another Doctrine!

1.) You deny a future return of Jesus Christ to earth

2.) You deny the future glorified body of the believer and the future Last Day resurrection

3.) You deny a future New Heaven and Earth

You know what Brother Truth, I love ya man!!! As crazy as your views are, I still love you as part of the body of Christ. These three things you are passionate about, they don't matter!! Nobody in heaven cares what you or I believe about these things. It's a doctrinal disagreement. None of these are salvation points. I told my pre-trib pastor the other day that my wife and I became preterists about 5 years ago. He was a little surprised but didn't ask any questions and didn't ostracize us. But then again, He is the strongest Christian I know. He still street preaches every week. That man is going to have a palace when his days are up compared to my shanty.

As for your 3 points, Christ NEVER taught of a rapture. He taught a gathering. Christ never said He was going to walk on earth again. That is a tradition of man. I only deny a future heaven and earth because we already have it. Praise the Lord.

Did the Thessalonians ever get their rest?????
Where the disciples killed for their faith???

Study history my grasshopper. You have so much to learn. Come back to me when you can catch that fly in those chopsticks. .

 

[KJV1611]

What do you mean??? Of course I believe the Bride groom was Jesus. He married His Church, when He returned in the 66-70 AD time frame. He has been ruling the nations with an iron rod ever since Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire. Although now I wonder if Satan has been set loose. See, I'm not a full preterist. Mostly full with a nugget or two left remaining.

I was talking about the bridegroom being Jesus in the Jeremiah story. I know you know Jesus is the bridegroom.

 

[PlainWord]

Specifically this arrogant phrase. "We alone harmonize with the word. Us pretribs with our bibles" I couldn't disagree more. It wasn't to be ugly, but to let you know I strongly disagree with what you said. Fair enough?

See how hard it is to be civil with these futurists????. Man is it tough. They are so arrogant with their views. They condemn us when they should be thanking us for at least exposing them to the truth.

So, get this. I have this buddy, never met him. He is the pastor of a church in Alabama. We email all the time. Anyway, he is coming out with a book in a week or two about his theory called, "In-millennialism." Simply put, we are in the millennium now. He emails out a weekly newsletter with a theme. Most of it I already know but once in awhile, he blows my socks off. We disagree on a few things but overall, this guy is awesome. His name is Mike Rogers and he communicates in such a soft spoken way which would not put off even Mr. Lack-of-Truth. I wish I had his heart and ability to disarm people the way he does. But the Lord hasn't taken away my ego or ability to think independently from the brainwashed masses.

The church needs a good shake up after nearly 200 years of this Darby nonsense. Peter said that Paul was at times difficult to understand. If Paul had just added "after each of us die" we would be caught up with those resurrected, everything would be fine.. New doctrines based on one passage without any support from other passages is a dangerous thing.

 

[PlainWord]

I was talking about the bridegroom being Jesus in the Jeremiah story. I know you know Jesus is the bridegroom.

Not yet my good friend. Jeremiah was a prophet of the Babylonian exile.

 

[John146]

And that means???

Different applications...one to the nation of Israel and the other to the Gentile church.

 

[KJV1611]

Different applications...one to the nation of Israel and the other to the Gentile church.

Different gospels I forgot.

 

[John146]

Different gospels I forgot.

Nope, different audiences. There is but one gospel message unto eternal salvation, but several glad tidings messages in the Bible. Gospel is just a term. Salvation is a term, but not always related to eternal salvation.

 

[Truth7t7]

The resurrection of Lazarus.

What do you mean??? Of course I believe the Bride groom was Jesus. He married His Church, when He returned in the 66-70 AD time frame. He has been ruling the nations with an iron rod ever since Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire. Although now I wonder if Satan has been set loose. See, I'm not a full preterist. Mostly full with a nugget or two left remaining.

You deny a future return of Jesus Christ in the heavens

You deny a future resurrection and glorified body of the believer

You deny a future New Heaven and Earth

(Full Preterism)

 

[Truth7t7]

You know what Brother Truth, I love ya man!!! As crazy as your views are, I still love you as part of the body of Christ. These three things you are passionate about, they don't matter!! Nobody in heaven cares what you or I believe about these things. It's a doctrinal disagreement. None of these are salvation points. I told my pre-trib pastor the other day that my wife and I became preterists about 5 years ago. He was a little surprised but didn't ask any questions and didn't ostracize us. But then again, He is the strongest Christian I know. He still street preaches every week. That man is going to have a palace when his days are up compared to my shanty.

As for your 3 points, Christ NEVER taught of a rapture. He taught a gathering. Christ never said He was going to walk on earth again. That is a tradition of man. I only deny a future heaven and earth because we already have it. Praise the Lord.

Did the Thessalonians ever get their rest?????
Where the disciples killed for their faith???

Study history my grasshopper. You have so much to learn. Come back to me when you can catch that fly in those chopsticks. .

You deny the future return of Jesus Christ in the "Heavens", nobody said anything about him walking on this earth

You deny the future glorified body and resurrection on the last day

You deny a future New Heaven and Earth

I don't dislike you but (Full Preterism) is heretical to the doctrine that was delivered to the church.

 

[KJV1611]

See how hard it is to be civil with these futurists????. Man is it tough. They are so arrogant with their views. They condemn us when they should be thanking us for at least exposing them to the truth.

So, get this. I have this buddy, never met him. He is the pastor of a church in Alabama. We email all the time. Anyway, he is coming out with a book in a week or two about his theory called, "In-millennialism." Simply put, we are in the millennium now. He emails out a weekly newsletter with a theme. Most of it I already know but once in awhile, he blows my socks off. We disagree on a few things but overall, this guy is awesome. His name is Mike Rogers and he communicates in such a soft spoken way which would not put off even Mr. Lack-of-Truth. I wish I had his heart and ability to disarm people the way he does. But the Lord hasn't taken away my ego or ability to think independently from the brainwashed masses.

The church needs a good shake up after nearly 200 years of this Darby nonsense. Peter said that Paul was at times difficult to understand. If Paul had just added "after each of us die" we would be caught up with those resurrected, everything would be fine.. New doctrines based on one passage without any support from other passages is a dangerous thing.

The book sounds interesting, does the guy or the church have a website?

 

[Absolutely]

Specifically this arrogant phrase. "We alone harmonize with the word. Us pretribs with our bibles" I couldn't disagree more. It wasn't to be ugly, but to let you know I strongly disagree with what you said. Fair enough?

The verses that i post....we own them.

there is no mid or postrib rapture verses.....none.

 

[Absolutely]

You deny a future return of Jesus Christ in the heavens

You deny a future resurrection and glorified body of the believer

You deny a future New Heaven and Earth

(Full Preterism)

now you ascribe that silly mess to me with no basis

not being in your box of shell games with reframed definitions is a good thing. no heresy.

when you do that resurrection/raise the dead game....we can all see your s t r e a t c h

 

[Absolutely]

Specifically this arrogant phrase. "We alone harmonize with the word. Us pretribs with our bibles" I couldn't disagree more. It wasn't to be ugly, but to let you know I strongly disagree with what you said. Fair enough?

Ok mr policeman

 

[Absolutely]

Matthew is to a Jewish audience and Luke is directed to a Gentile audience.

romans was to romans
hebrews was to hebrews.
1 peter was to the 12 tribes but also to the church.

I read all the bible. it is Gods word.

 

[Absolutely]

That red x deal is plain cowardly.

 

[Absolutely]

That red x deal is plain cowardly.

Juvenile.

 

[Truth7t7]

now you ascribe that silly mess to me with no basis

not being in your box of shell games with reframed definitions is a good thing. no heresy.

when you do that resurrection/raise the dead game....we can all see your s t r e a t c h

Sorry somehow your post was added, it was for plainWord

 

[Truth7t7]

romans was to romans
hebrews was to hebrews.
1 peter was to the 12 tribes but also to the church.

I read all the bible. it is Gods word.

The Jews rejected Jesus Christ, the church is the Israel if God, children of the promised seed Rom 9:6-8KJV

 

[PlainWord]

No, they are identical 146. Luke and Matthew are the exact same conversation but Luke calls it the resurrection FROM THE DEAD and Matthew calls it the RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD.

(Luk 20:33) Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife.
(Luk 20:34) And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
(Luk 20:35) But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

Mat 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

Mat 8:22 But Jesus said to him, “Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead.”

In the above passage Jesus uses "dead" in the first instance to describe the spiritually dead and in the second instance, the physically dead. In this passage it is clear which dead is which. When discussing the "dead' the first death is physical and the second death was spiritual. Resurrection of the dead or resurrection from the dead are both accurate. Since those who experienced the second death were in Hades, when one is resurrected from the dead, they are brought up out of Hades, away from the rest of the dead. The resurrection of the dead is the same thing, a spiritually dead person is brought out of Hades, freed from captivity and taken to heaven. Thus the resurrection happens almost always in the spiritual realm and NOT in our physical realm. People who were resurrected are seldom brought back to this physical earth.

 

[PlainWord]

You deny a future return of Jesus Christ in the heavens

You deny a future resurrection and glorified body of the believer

You deny a future New Heaven and Earth

(Full Preterism)

Now it's Christ in the heavens, before you were saying He would return to earth. At least you went back and corrected that error.

I do not deny that Christ could come back in our future, we just aren't told if He will. Christ's second coming already happened in the first century. He described the time frame. Not you, not me. He associated it with the destruction of Jerusalem which we now know took place in 70 AD. Look at Luke 21 as it is much clearer than Mat 24.

Speaking to 4 of His disciples on the Mount of Olives, around 30-33 AD Jesus says this to them, not to me and not to you or anyone else. He is looking these 4 disciples in the eye and says this:

“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.

He is reiterating what he said in Luke 19 where we find more detail.

43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”

He is still talking to them but broadly He is speaking of their countrymen. We know that the Roman armies under Titus erected siege walls or embankments all around Jerusalem to starve them out and provide for their defense while they worked on tearing down the walls of the city. They then leveled the city not leaving one stone upon another. This was to happen roughly 37-40 years from when Jesus foretold it. It is a matter if historical FACT.

Back to Luke 21: 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled...For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

We are still in Judea and Jesus is still talking about the first century destruction of Jerusalem. He hasn't jumped ahead 2,000 years. This was to be His vengeance and His wrath upon HIS PEOPLE. No other people are in focus. He is still talking to His disciples about what was to happen to their country in the very near future. Then He says this:

27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.” ...32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.

It was to happen to their generation. There is no 2,000 year leap into the future. He was still taking to them. They will see.