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Confirmation bias... we all have confirmation bias... the point I was making to look beyond that... we all have to do that.
Scripture is clear OSAS is what it teaches.
You are using your experience to confirm NOSAS... you need to let scripture stand on its own apart from preconceived ideas and biases.
Scripture is clear OSAS is what it teaches.
You are using your experience to confirm NOSAS... you need to let scripture stand on its own apart from preconceived ideas and biases.
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My labels are not meant as an insult, but an attempt to understand and labels are a short cut to understanding at times.
Doctrines made by man are a convenient short cut to understanding truth. I grant they are fallible, but they do have much merit in my opinion and there is wisdom (not perfection or infallibility) in the opinion of many)
Anyways, I will avoid labels in the future if I can.
Can I call you a Christian even though that is a label? I guess you see my point.
Aside: I am just trying to communicate as best I can. I am a flawed person, be patient with me.
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My opinion is once we are BORN AGAIN, HE causes our Human Spirit to change from once dead to becoming eternally alive.
We then will want to confess SIN, even when we remember what we did in the past, that was SIN. It just comes out of us, not that we think if we DON'T we will not be forgiven. IT IS OUR NEW NATURE OF OUR HUMAN SPIRIT. We will want to confess SINS, weather it be
Past, Present, or FUTURE. Not that we Confess Sins that we already CONFESSED before, AND HE HAS FORGOTTEN THEM, but once in a
while a fresh Memory, I remember something that I did, in the past, that was SIN, but have forgotten, and instantly in my mind I say,
"LORD, please forgive me!"
I have a question for you, "Many of us have Quoted Scripture to you, and you just DISMISS IT.
So how is it that you can dismiss those verses so easily?
Are you pondering the VERSE FIRST, OR Automatically Dismiss because it came from a OSAS BELIEVER?
Agreed. But I would add 2 more to the definition
Knowledge – an intellectual content to believe. This includes knowledge of God, Christ, sin and faith as found in the Bible. Faith is limited by knowledge for one cannot believe what one does not know. The source of knowledge is: Romans 10:17 So faith comes by hearing [what is told], and what is heard comes by the preaching [of the message that came from the lips] of Christ (the Messiah Himself). Some believe the message must come from men; others would say the message, though coming from man is actuated by the Spirit for otherwise it falls on death ears.
Agreement/Assent to the Truth – the wholehearted, emotional assent that the truth applies to the person himself. (Assent is conviction produced by evidence. Faith without evidence is irrational or impossible)
Trust – Faith has a volitional aspect. In the trust aspect, knowledge has passed to assent, acceptance or approval, and from acceptance/approval it goes to volitional trust, surrender and reliance. All of this is actuated by the testimony of the Spirit for it is spiritually discerned. 2 Timothy 1:12b Still I am not ashamed, for I know (perceive, have knowledge of, and am acquainted with) Him Whom I have believed (adhered to and trusted in and relied on), and I am [positively] persuaded that He is able to guard and keep that which has been entrusted to me and which I have committed [to Him] until that day. Of special and indisputable significance of the volitional trust, surrender and submission of the person who exercises faith in God is the expression “to obey,” a synonym for saving faith
Doesn't matter is something is Calvinistic. Is it truth is the important thing.
Calvinism believes: God ordains every things that happens down to each molecule. He does this by causing something to occur or permitting it to occur. (I agree with this, but I opinion doesn't make it correct though)
Hmmm ... that are a lot of other theories ... some think God created the universe and sits back and watches to see what will happen
some think God intervenes at times
In regards to salvation a majority think God looks into the future to see what happens. ( I believe this to be false as it makes God knowledge dependent upon people and God sovereignty subservient to peoples will, that it breaks the law of causality, that is contradicts scripture, on and on.... but people smarter than I disagree)
Aside: Read a couple Systematic Theology books and you will probably double your knowledge
Knowledge – an intellectual content to believe. This includes knowledge of God, Christ, sin and faith as found in the Bible. Faith is limited by knowledge for one cannot believe what one does not know. The source of knowledge is: Romans 10:17 So faith comes by hearing [what is told], and what is heard comes by the preaching [of the message that came from the lips] of Christ (the Messiah Himself). Some believe the message must come from men; others would say the message, though coming from man is actuated by the Spirit for otherwise it falls on death ears.
Agreement/Assent to the Truth – the wholehearted, emotional assent that the truth applies to the person himself. (Assent is conviction produced by evidence. Faith without evidence is irrational or impossible)
Trust – Faith has a volitional aspect. In the trust aspect, knowledge has passed to assent, acceptance or approval, and from acceptance/approval it goes to volitional trust, surrender and reliance. All of this is actuated by the testimony of the Spirit for it is spiritually discerned. 2 Timothy 1:12b Still I am not ashamed, for I know (perceive, have knowledge of, and am acquainted with) Him Whom I have believed (adhered to and trusted in and relied on), and I am [positively] persuaded that He is able to guard and keep that which has been entrusted to me and which I have committed [to Him] until that day. Of special and indisputable significance of the volitional trust, surrender and submission of the person who exercises faith in God is the expression “to obey,” a synonym for saving faith
Doesn't matter is something is Calvinistic. Is it truth is the important thing.
Calvinism believes: God ordains every things that happens down to each molecule. He does this by causing something to occur or permitting it to occur. (I agree with this, but I opinion doesn't make it correct though)
Hmmm ... that are a lot of other theories ... some think God created the universe and sits back and watches to see what will happen
some think God intervenes at times
In regards to salvation a majority think God looks into the future to see what happens. ( I believe this to be false as it makes God knowledge dependent upon people and God sovereignty subservient to peoples will, that it breaks the law of causality, that is contradicts scripture, on and on.... but people smarter than I disagree)
Aside: Read a couple Systematic Theology books and you will probably double your knowledge
Those who say OSAS always means that you can live anyway you want to and still be saved don't know what they are talking about, although there are some who do in fact teach this.
I prefer "preservation of the saints" to OSAS.
By the way you should study doctrine, we are to be adorned with doctrine; Titus 2:10, and we are to be sound in doctrine, which we cannot know without study; 2 Timothy 2:15; 2 Timothy 4:1ff.
Without trying to offend, you do have your own doctrine, it is expressed in what you say on here and anywhere you discuss it.
I prefer "preservation of the saints" to OSAS.
By the way you should study doctrine, we are to be adorned with doctrine; Titus 2:10, and we are to be sound in doctrine, which we cannot know without study; 2 Timothy 2:15; 2 Timothy 4:1ff.
Without trying to offend, you do have your own doctrine, it is expressed in what you say on here and anywhere you discuss it.
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