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as usual you love to use examples but do not quite get all of the possible ways, you need To be more open and realise you may not know others as well as you think they do
romans 1 says the world not only knows god, who he is and what he did, but the also know they are in serious danger, and rightly judged for their sin, that is why they hide god, because they know coming to the light exposes so god gave them over to their passions and did not stop them,
so fatalism on its face is already in danger
as for the area where 100 people where drowning, God sent his son to all 100. He called all of them to salvation, but like romans 1. Many hated God so much they would rather die then have him save them, others wanted to save themselves (religion) others did not trust god completely so said yes lord save me but I have to help. While others like the tax collector, realized their situation, and called out for Jesus to save them.
as the old saying goes. Many are called, few are chosen, God wants to save all, but his will is not to force his salvation on anyone, his will is all who see and believe will be given eternal life. In John 6 many saw him, but only a few believed, even judas was called but never came to saving faith, in my example all saw him, but only a few believed, it is they who were saved, because instead of wallowing in unbelief, they listened to God and god saved them.
this regeneration before justification but is unnerving, it has those who are still dead in sin (not yet justified) and dead because of that sin, made alive while still in that sin, THEN forgiven of that sin after they are made alove
this is against Gods character, he has to penalize sin, he can not make alive until the problem of sin first is taken care of.
as for your 4 examples, I do not have time this morning i will try to get to them later
romans 1 says the world not only knows god, who he is and what he did, but the also know they are in serious danger, and rightly judged for their sin, that is why they hide god, because they know coming to the light exposes so god gave them over to their passions and did not stop them,
so fatalism on its face is already in danger
as for the area where 100 people where drowning, God sent his son to all 100. He called all of them to salvation, but like romans 1. Many hated God so much they would rather die then have him save them, others wanted to save themselves (religion) others did not trust god completely so said yes lord save me but I have to help. While others like the tax collector, realized their situation, and called out for Jesus to save them.
as the old saying goes. Many are called, few are chosen, God wants to save all, but his will is not to force his salvation on anyone, his will is all who see and believe will be given eternal life. In John 6 many saw him, but only a few believed, even judas was called but never came to saving faith, in my example all saw him, but only a few believed, it is they who were saved, because instead of wallowing in unbelief, they listened to God and god saved them.
this regeneration before justification but is unnerving, it has those who are still dead in sin (not yet justified) and dead because of that sin, made alive while still in that sin, THEN forgiven of that sin after they are made alove
this is against Gods character, he has to penalize sin, he can not make alive until the problem of sin first is taken care of.
as for your 4 examples, I do not have time this morning i will try to get to them later
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I think where I find the difficulty is the "favour" part when it is used in the Calvinist sense in that God denies salvation to some and favour to others.
Certainly "grace" is not earned or deserved, if it was it would not be grace.
However, some on here state God forces us to believe and if it is otherwise then it is our work.
So is trusting in Jesus for salvation a work of merit?
It cannot be a work of merit because scripture is clear we cannot earn salvation... but then do we have to go to the extreme as Calvinists do and make it so God forces Himself on people >>>> irresistible grace?
How does one deal with that constant accusation on here by people like @Fastfredy0 that we earned our salvation since we are not Calvinists?
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