Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

If these scriptures didn't exist you would have a valid argument.

1 John 3:6-9 He that abides in him does not sin.
1 John 5:18 Whosoever is born of God does not sin.

That's just a small sample.

No go run to your greek and OSAS apparatus to deny those scriptures.

You throw darkness unto your own path because you cannot comprehend the light.

Nope

because like 1 John 1. You have no comprehension of what those passages mean instead you make John contradict himself which makes his whole writings untrustworthy

 

[biker]

Faith is Believing. But it is nothing we physically did, but we Believe in our spirit. Therefore, we did nothing bodily wise.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who did God send?
Christ!
That is the WORKS of God.

What are we to do?

Believe on Him!

You did not come to faith on your own, if you think so, something is wrong

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Faith is Believing. But it is nothing we physically did, but we Believe in our spirit. Therefore, we did nothing bodily wise.

Faith is MORE than just believing

 

[biker]

That’s not what the passage says

it says it is the work of God we believe in the one he sent

he teaches,
he draws
he helps us to understand
he convicts

what we do with this is up to us, but it is all gods work

How did we get to the point of choosing Christ?
God sent Christ.
This is the works of God.
What are we to do next?
We could reject Him or accept Him.
if we reject Him, is it still God's works?

No, His work was sending us Christ!

 

[EleventhHour]

It's a choice how we use the Faith, is how.

So "acceptance" is a work but the scripture states salvation is a gift apart from works.... I am not understanding?

 

[Fastfredy0]

because you think your special. Thus god chose you over others

I don't think I am special in myself; but I am very special to God. I think, figuratively speaking, God took a lump and clay and ordained the characteristics I would have and God chose to give me characteristics that you chooses to love and reward by placing my in His son.

Now, you think you are special to God because of WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. Your self-determined FAITH has saved you and now you are to be rewarded for what you did in cooperation with God.

Summary: I am in no way special in and of myself IMO. You are special because of your act of righteousness, your faith. We are both special. Our reasons for why we are special vary. I am 100% God and you are 99.99% God and .01% your self righteousness.

 

[biker]

You did not come to faith on your own, if you think so, something is wrong

God called me, but I had to step out in Faith on my own to accept Him!

 

[biker]

So "acceptance" is a work but the scripture states salvation is a gift apart from works.... I am not understanding?

When God called you, did you have a choice in the matter?

Could you have rejected Him if you chose to?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

You have no comprehension of what those passages mean

Real nice.

That's how cults work.

Unbelievable.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How did we get to the point of choosing Christ?
God sent Christ.
This is the works of God.
What are we to do next?
We could reject Him or accept Him.
if we reject Him, is it still God's works?

No, His work was sending us Christ!

so you came to god all on your own no help from God?

 

[preacher4truth]

I find many of your post to be incoherent ...
I find your ability understand

Nailed. I don't "have" him on ignore, I just read the nonsense and choose not to respond. He will own up to nothing. When refuted, he weasles around it.

Oh, John 1:12-13 .. favorites of mine.

Them: Rarely use scripture to back up what they have to say
Them: Rarely answer any questions ... more an attack and hide methodology
Them: Man is SO, SO important ... often viewing scripture from man's point of view (which is of NO MATTER) instead of God's
Them: God loves everyone so He must do this and that as man is so valuable. Never a view of God being holy and the contradiction that exists when one insists God must love those that are evil.
Them: God has to be fair (by their detorted definition of fairness)
Them: Imaginary 'prevenient grace'
Them: Ignore the depravity of man .. that NO ONE SEEKS GOD
Them: I can raise myself from the SPIRITUALLY DEAD
Them: I can force God to Adopt me (bringing new meaning to adopt)
Them: I can cause myself to be BORN AGAIN.... every other birth is from a parent
Them: God is dependent upon me for His knowledge ... He looks into the future to determine what I will do and makes decisions
Them: God is sovereign, but not in everything. Man determines who will be God children, man determines his good deeds
Them: Yes, God has Freedom ... but man is very important and his freedom to decide whom God will save is subservient.
Them: I am God's sheep. I chose my shephard
Them: Phil 1:29 ... It is granted to me to believe ... but I granted God would grant that I be granted to believe
Them: Yeah, I saved myself by my righteous act of Faith ... but that is not merit despite the dictionary definition.
Them: I am going to heaven because of my cooperation with God while others did not cooperate. But no reason to boast
Them: Eph. 2:8-9 ... yeah, well it may say that Faith is a gift from God ...but that is not true because (insert reason here)
Them: Well, Jesus died for people that will never believe ... but this was not in vain
Them: John 3:44-45,65 ... response ... some sort of isogesis
Yahda, yahda, yahda

Exactly to all the above! No matter what Scripture we give, they find a a way around it to being it back to what they've done. They cannot see the huge aversion to giving God all the glory. They need to be dethroned first obviously which is why they act to defend what they've done it salvation.

And the irony? This is the "not by works" thread.

It always turns into what they did as soon as you show them it is all God, even believing is his work, but they won't have it. You nailed it again, good list!

 

[biker]

so you came to god all on your own no help from God?

You talk in Circles!

That is not what I have said.

 

[EleventhHour]

I don't think I am special in myself; but I am very special to God. I think, figuratively speaking, God took a lump and clay and ordained the characteristics I would have and God chose to give me characteristics that you chooses to love and reward by placing my in His son.

Now, you think you are special to God because of WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. Your self-determined FAITH has saved you and now you are to be rewarded for what you did in cooperation with God.

Summary: I am in no way special in and of myself IMO. You are special because of your act of righteousness, your faith. We are both special. Our reasons for why we are special vary. I am 100% God and you are 99.99% God and .01% your self righteousness.

Have you figured out how Jesus both loves and hates people at the same time?

 

[biker]

When God called you, did you have a choice in the matter?

Could you have rejected Him if you chose to?

If you can choose to reject Him, how is it different when you choose to accept His call?

 

[Fastfredy0]

Not everyone Believes. God's work is Christ. From there, we have to decide if we Believe in Him or not!

Give verses to substantiate this claim. Note: Not verses saying what we must do to be saved. We all know we must believe. BUT VERSES TELLING US WHY WE BELIEVE. Show just ONE verse saying faith is via your FREE WILL.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't think I am special in myself; but I am very special to God. I think, figuratively speaking, God took a lump and clay and ordained the characteristics I would have and God chose to give me characteristics that you chooses to love and reward by placing my in His son.

Now, you think you are special to God because of WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. Your self-determined FAITH has saved you and now you are to be rewarded for what you did in cooperation with God.

Summary: I am in no way special in and of myself IMO. You are special because of your act of righteousness, your faith. We are both special. Our reasons for why we are special vary. I am 100% God and you are 99.99% God and .01% your self righteousness.

it is the work of god I believed in him, he drew me, he convicted me, he offered it tome, all I did was say yes, if I can boast in god saving me from eternal death simply because I did not tell him no, then something is seriously wrong

there is zero % my righteousness

again, how can a person who completely trusted a savior boast of saving himself?

are you going to answer, or keep red ding everything I say.

i am retired coast guard,, I have witness many a rescue of people who would die apart from trusting the one sent to save them

i have never heard them go boast of how they saved themselves, they gave 100% credit to their savior

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Real nice.

That's how cults work.

Unbelievable.

Yep,

you must be part of a cult

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God called me, but I had to step out in Faith on my own to accept Him!

If god did not call you or convict you or teach you, and did all the work, you never would have had the chance to do that now would you?

 

[Fastfredy0]

Have you figured out how Jesus both loves and hates people at the same time?

You never answered my questions in the past ... thus indicating the communication is one-sided.

Besides, it is you that think God loves those whom he also hates. I do not. Sheep and goats and no combination animal.