Thanks, but I have been dealt some serious loads of heartache, troubles, disappointments, trials, tribulations. And I had to go through all of this to learn to rely solely upon God. And people do not get tested in severe ways unless there is a Reason of God for it. I know what that reason is. How to survive the Tribulation because my Faith will be in Him!
PRE- MID- POST TRIBULATION.... JESUS RETURN TO EARTH FOR HIS BRIDE!
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Thanks, but I have been dealt some serious loads of heartache, troubles, disappointments, trials, tribulations. And I had to go through all of this to learn to rely solely upon God. And people do not get tested in severe ways unless there is a Reason of God for it. I know what that reason is. How to survive the Tribulation because my Faith will be in Him!
Let me say it like this:
If I am wrong and there is a Pre-Trib Rapture, I haven't wasted a thing by believing it could be a possibility I will have to endure it.
On the other hand, if I am right and there is no Pre-Trib Rapture, are you going to be able to handle such a let down, or will you be like the Jews and Blame God for making you EARN something in your life?
If I am wrong and there is a Pre-Trib Rapture, I haven't wasted a thing by believing it could be a possibility I will have to endure it.
On the other hand, if I am right and there is no Pre-Trib Rapture, are you going to be able to handle such a let down, or will you be like the Jews and Blame God for making you EARN something in your life?
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Bold statement.. so feel free to prove it.
Someone said "is their disbelief that the Holy Spirit will not be active during the Tribulation. ". I have heard of this and I don't know any that believe that. Holy Spirit will be here just no like He is now. The only way the lawless one comes is "something/he" is taken out of the way. Out of the way.. not removed
Someone said "is their disbelief that the Holy Spirit will not be active during the Tribulation. ". I have heard of this and I don't know any that believe that. Holy Spirit will be here just no like He is now. The only way the lawless one comes is "something/he" is taken out of the way. Out of the way.. not removed
We know of the ones he seemingly got right like the Trade Centers, George Bush winning Prez election, and a couple of others.
He made some in 2008 we are still waiting on, which is interesting, because the others happened within a couple of years and we are now in the 12/13th year for the 2008. Time will tell. But it won't matter unless we are here
But it is not Biblical in terms of Pre-Trib.
You have literally taken 1 Thess Chapters 4 and 5 completely out of context.
Both Chapters the people of Thess ask Paul will they see their DEAD loved ones again. And Paul explains we will meet them again in the Rapture. But nowhere does Paul say when this takes place. Nowhere does he claim it is even circulated around Tribulation. YOU have just falsely made it that way. YOU have literally ADDED to Scripture what is not there! YOU have done exactly what Christ said not to do!
It is forever canonized that Jesus first miracle was at a wedding.
The format and protocol of the jewish betrothal is vividly played out at the last supper.
The last few sentences of the bible are the bride calling out to the groom.
The last thought of the bible is groom/bride.
The rapture depicted in mat 25 has the groom fetching the bride.
The return of Jesus is forever canonized as the bride returning with Jesus as the wife.
...and much much more
The format and protocol of the jewish betrothal is vividly played out at the last supper.
The last few sentences of the bible are the bride calling out to the groom.
The last thought of the bible is groom/bride.
The rapture depicted in mat 25 has the groom fetching the bride.
The return of Jesus is forever canonized as the bride returning with Jesus as the wife.
...and much much more
Nowhere is there any destroyed planet associated with any bride groom rapture.
Nor tribulation.
In ruth the gentile bride is taken alongside the redeemed property with zero destroyed land or mass death and tribulation.
Lots WIFE is judged DURING THE JUDGEMENT
as lot is taken away,raptured, BEFORE THE TRIBULATION......Perfect ,vivid picture of the pretrib rapture with the Jewish covenant people judged during the gt as alongside the heathen.
Nor tribulation.
In ruth the gentile bride is taken alongside the redeemed property with zero destroyed land or mass death and tribulation.
Lots WIFE is judged DURING THE JUDGEMENT
as lot is taken away,raptured, BEFORE THE TRIBULATION......Perfect ,vivid picture of the pretrib rapture with the Jewish covenant people judged during the gt as alongside the heathen.
Hi biker.
Jesus used lot in portrayal of his coming.
He painted a vivid picture of God removing his family PRIOR to judging/ judgement.
Then accented it with other examples of removal in absence of any judgement.
He further accented it with the 2 escape verses.
Once that is embraced(not ignored) and the bride/groom dimension is embraced...there is no doubt it is a pretrib rapture.
Jesus used lot in portrayal of his coming.
He painted a vivid picture of God removing his family PRIOR to judging/ judgement.
Then accented it with other examples of removal in absence of any judgement.
He further accented it with the 2 escape verses.
Once that is embraced(not ignored) and the bride/groom dimension is embraced...there is no doubt it is a pretrib rapture.
26 And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:
28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.
29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.
30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.
31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.
32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.
27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:
28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.
29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.
30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.
31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.
32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.
Look at verse 27. Proves Abraham already intervened first in verse 25 that you did not post. So God never freely offered He was planning on sparing anyone to Abraham. Abraham just went directly to God and interceded. You chose not to add Abraham's initial action because it REFUTES your entire argument. But don't worry, I know the story very well and could see your intent 100 miles away