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No, they did not agree that the scripture say we don’t sin anymore. The same scriptures that I speak of.

They deny any idea of sinlessness.
Good grief! So your heretical views have left you without a Church? I mean if you state your doctrine to any pastor what else do you expect other than to be booted out of the Assembly?
 
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Ooooohhhhh. Now you are being "shaped" are you? Since when did the sinnless have to be shaped into anything else?
I am shaped into who am today by the scripture.

Delivered from sin and given power to be one of the sons of God (John 1:12).
 

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Here is one for People who like Big Kitty Cats, see if you can Spot the TRAINER in the Bushes.

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I mean if you state your doctrine to any pastor what else do you expect other than to be booted out of the Assembly?
I have not been booted.

I respect their “club”, but I do not view it as a valid assembly according to the Bible.

So should I deny the scripture to get along with crowd, cv5?

I tried to get involved with that church, but the more I read the scriptures the more I could see the gross errors that were being taught.

Knowing how precious the word of God is, I could not with good conscience surrender my sword to them.

I will never surrender my sword to anyone! Not even my flesh!
 

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I’ve always wondered why so many people were against the KJV.

I’m not a KJV only pusher, but I understand why the KJVO’s are the way they are.

I find that many modern translations are as weak as most Christians today; which suits them well.
Most Christians do not understand that the KJV was never intended to be reguarded as an actual Translation. It is a Paraphase from earlier Translations, with archaic language, and known errors. So the updated the language and tried to correct some of the known errors. The Translation Team admitted all of that in the Original 1611 KJV PREFACE. And you can look it up for yourself.

Statements like this, make it a PRAPHASE and not an actual TRANSLATION:

QUOTE: Truly (good Christian Reader) wee never thought from the beginning, that we should neede to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, . . . but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principall good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath bene our indeavour, that our marke. . . . End Quote.​
Here is the link if you want to read it for yourself, but know, it is Hard to read in that KJV English, can you imagine how antiquated the earlier Versions that predate the 1611 KJV that they Paraphrased, actually had to be.
https://www.ccel.org/bible/kjv/preface/pref1.htm

What gets me, is the KJV ONLY people most have been brainwashed, to believe the 1611 KJV was the ONLY GOD INSPIRED ENGLISH TRANSLATION. I have had more than one them tell me that word for word. It was NEVER a TRANSLATION in the first place, it was a Paraphrase.
 

cv5

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I have not been booted.

I respect their “club”, but I do not view it as a valid assembly according to the Bible.

So should I deny the scripture to get along with crowd, cv5?

I tried to get involved with that church, but the more I read the scriptures the more I could see the gross errors that were being taught.

Knowing how precious the word of God is, I could not with good conscience surrender my sword to them.

I will never surrender my sword to anyone! Not even my flesh!
How in the world can you "respect" a "club" of people that you believe are unsaved then call themselves a Church? And worse yet actually attend there regularly??

I don't have any respect whatsoever for any of the bogus prosperity gospel preachers and their fake churches.

Your entire story is falling apart at the seams. I think you are full of it.
 
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Once again ask the question.

You cannot make an assumption without asking.

If you assume then you judge.
It is not judging to read a number of posts where a person gives their views and from that freely shared information draw conclusions as to their values.

If we ask people direct questions, the validity of the answers depends solely upon their character and love for the truth. So direct questions are less useful than the far greater amount of information otherwise gathered:

For example, Solomon asked two women if they were the mother of a child. Both said “yes.” Since biologically only one can be, one was lying. He sussed out the truth through an indirect method and was seenas wise.

If we ask people here if they want to please God, I doubt any would say “no.” But if they otherwise never show that this is a goal, they are fooling themselves. Jesus asked the religious leaders only few direct questions but spoke of their teachings often enough. He didn’t ask them if they thought their deeds matched their teaching as they’d have said “yes.” Their deeds did not.

Jesus described people who thought and would have said they were pleasing God, but God was not at all pleased. Whether God is pleased is for Him to say. He has told us what He wants so it isn’t a mystery.
 
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And worse yet actually attend there regularly??
I no longer attend regularly.

In fact it’s been a while since I’ve been there on a regular basis.

I have some friends and relatives that attend there.

Your entire story is falling apart at the seams. I think you are full of it.
You are free to think whatever you want.

The only judgment that matters is God’s.
 
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Once again you glorify yourself as the only one here/anywhere/everywhere who "pleases" God. Oh didn't the Pharisees do the very same thing. Christ also laid out "humbleness" as "pleasing Him."
I actually said nothing of the kind. You put on your "hate Dottie" glasses and see all kinds of points not there. Take them off. The world is a much better place not wearing those glasses.
 
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Your entire story is falling apart at the seams.
Look, I don’t blame you.

I know how this sounds.

I find myself questioning myself at times, like when John the Baptist questioned if Jesus was in fact the Messiah. But this is the very reason I continue frequently reading the Bible, to stay strong in its truths. The flesh, though reckoned dead, still can creep in and lead into error unless a steady heavy dose of scripture is coming into your spirit.

And Jesus said:

Mark 8:38
[38] Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Some of Jesus’ words include, “Go, and sin no more.”

I am not ashamed of those words and will proclaim them without shame.
 
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Look, I don’t blame you.

I know how this sounds.

I find myself questioning myself at times, like when John the Baptist questioned if Jesus was in fact the Messiah. But this is the very reason I continue frequently reading the Bible, to stay strong in its truths. The flesh, though reckoned dead, still can creep in and lead into error unless a steady heavy dose of scripture is coming into your spirit.

And Jesus said:

Mark 8:38
[38] Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Some of Jesus’ words include, “Go, and sin no more.”

I am not ashamed of those words and will proclaim them without shame.
I usual ask people who claim a sinless life, can you do what Jesus did regarding sin and ask those who live and work with you if they can see any sin or wrong in your behavior? That is actually the test.

If a person is sinless, everyone else will certainly know. We might be blind to our sin but the victims of our wrong choices certainly are not.
 
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BTW, In my opinion the fallen angels and Satan also do not believe that they are sinners. That's is perhaps one reason why they are incapable of repentance, that is why they are the irredeemable.


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I never heard that before but makes sense.
That is absurd, They knew what they were doing from the first moment. They were not even deceived by anyone else as Eve was.
 
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I’ve always wondered why so many people were against the KJV.

I’m not a KJV only pusher, but I understand why the KJVO’s are the way they are.

I find that many modern translations are as weak as most Christians today; which suits them well.
Modern translations are based on a weakened worked over Greek text where suspiciously, the deity of a christ as well as powerful tools in spiritual warfare are removed.
 
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Maybe those people that you accuse would benefit more if you quoted Scripture from a better translation... "For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It [the grace of God] teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good. These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you."

So it's up to God to provide for us, isn't it. It's not by human effort, so stop pushing salvation by works. It's unscriptural!
The grace of God is available. It isn’t responsible for us saying “no” to ungodliness.
 

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I actually said nothing of the kind. You put on your "hate Dottie" glasses and see all kinds of points not there. Take them off. The world is a much better place not wearing those glasses.

No, no one hates you, some could be TERMINOLOGY DIFFERENCES, so EXPLAIN YOUR TERMS. Most of it is just BAD Theology that you just happen to believe in.
 

VCO

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Modern translations are based on a weakened worked over Greek text where suspiciously, the deity of a christ as well as powerful tools in spiritual warfare are removed.


There is a perfect example of WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. That may mean something you, but here in America it MAKES NO SENSE at all.

Are you saying you are a KJV ONLY believer and you think other Translations have been tampered with ? ? ?
 
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No, no one hates you, some could be TERMINOLOGY DIFFERENCES, so EXPLAIN YOUR TERMS. Most of it is just BAD Theology that you just happen to believe in.
They do a good imitation then. I know you don’t like my understanding of the ways of God. You don’t seem to see any of the abusive tactics if your team. They can jeer and laugh and insult and still you don’t see it. You wouldn’t see if they hated me or not.
 
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There is a perfect example of WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. That may mean something you, but here in America it MAKES NO SENSE at all.

Are you saying you are a KJV ONLY believer and you think other Translations have been tampered with ? ? ?
It doesn’t make sense likely because in America so few look into historical matters but believe popular speakers whose talk pleases them, I guess. There’s a reason why so many cults come from America.

I am not a KJV only but I do know which powerful verses modern translations leave out. They concern the deity or character of christ or powerful tools to help. That cannot be a coincidence.
 

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That is absurd, They knew what they were doing from the first moment. They were not even deceived by anyone else as Eve was.
Knowing what they were doing and believing it was wrong can be two different things. Much like some here are saying. His point was though, which I thought good, is they are unredeemable because of it.

Pride which I believe was Lucifers ego because of his beauty, filled him to the point of blindness.

My opinion of course.

Your post came across as bitter towards me.