"Antichrist": Broad Deception By Narrow Definition
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Satan is going to impersonate Christ before He comes, of course. The Antichrist is not a person, but a "kingdom", according to Daniel and Revelation. The Protestant Reformers taught "Protestant Historicism" which says prophecy parallels history, as opposed to Jesuit Futurism which says when Christ was crucified, somebody hit "pause" on the prophetic DVD player, and the show won't resume until the "secret rapture" which marks the countdown of the last seven years of trib, the rise of Antichrist, etc., etc., etc. Historicism agrees with Daniel and Revelation which says the Antichrist, Papal Rome, arose after the fall of the fourth beast, Pagan Rome.
Much Scripture evidence to support Protestant Historicism while at the same time annihilating Jesuit Preterism and Jesuit Futurism.
Much Scripture evidence to support Protestant Historicism while at the same time annihilating Jesuit Preterism and Jesuit Futurism.
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Wait, since when is it a bad thing to believe the return of Christ is imminent? Keeps us on our toes. Historicism has never moved any goal posts because there are no Historicist goal posts, only speculation as to whether land will come into view soon as we sail the Gospel sea.
Even the Early Church Fathers believed that when Pagan Rome fell, the Antichrist would arise and commence wage a relatively short war before Jesus would come...what's important is not there speculation about the coming of Jesus, which the Bible does not nail down, but their correct understanding of when the Antichrist would arise, which the Bible most certainly nails down.
As for Jesuit Futurism, its only support is found in what the intrepid Dr. Martin Luther calls "the Roman dunghill of decretals".
Even the Early Church Fathers believed that when Pagan Rome fell, the Antichrist would arise and commence wage a relatively short war before Jesus would come...what's important is not there speculation about the coming of Jesus, which the Bible does not nail down, but their correct understanding of when the Antichrist would arise, which the Bible most certainly nails down.
As for Jesuit Futurism, its only support is found in what the intrepid Dr. Martin Luther calls "the Roman dunghill of decretals".
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I was too drunk to notice the mosquitos, they probably got drunk too.
I went to New York Adult and Teen Challenge ministry and was delivered from alcoholism and tobacco by the power of the Blood of Jesus Christ and the sanctification of the Holy Spirit. The day I walked into that ministry I could feel the chains falling off of me and hitting the floor. I knew that Jesus would deliver me and yet I needed to take the first step in the right direction to get the help I needed to suffer through the withdrawals and the initial suffering that I would go through as I suffered in the flesh to cease from sin. When I did the Grace of God came upon me to strengthen, establish, and settle me. I was filled with the Holy Spirit and called to preach and pastor and a door was opened for me enroll in bible college and full time ministry intern position. I was literally translated out of the kingdom darkness into the kingdom of his dear son and though I never really wanted to go back to New Orleans, I may return someday with a group of evangelists to minister to the hopeless people who are drowning in alcohol like I was. Maybe I can get one of them to go to Adult and Teen Challenge. The ministry has had a 76% to 85% success rate since 1958, depending on the studies that have been done. The definition of success in this context is that of being free of addictions 10 years after graduation.
I went to New York Adult and Teen Challenge ministry and was delivered from alcoholism and tobacco by the power of the Blood of Jesus Christ and the sanctification of the Holy Spirit. The day I walked into that ministry I could feel the chains falling off of me and hitting the floor. I knew that Jesus would deliver me and yet I needed to take the first step in the right direction to get the help I needed to suffer through the withdrawals and the initial suffering that I would go through as I suffered in the flesh to cease from sin. When I did the Grace of God came upon me to strengthen, establish, and settle me. I was filled with the Holy Spirit and called to preach and pastor and a door was opened for me enroll in bible college and full time ministry intern position. I was literally translated out of the kingdom darkness into the kingdom of his dear son and though I never really wanted to go back to New Orleans, I may return someday with a group of evangelists to minister to the hopeless people who are drowning in alcohol like I was. Maybe I can get one of them to go to Adult and Teen Challenge. The ministry has had a 76% to 85% success rate since 1958, depending on the studies that have been done. The definition of success in this context is that of being free of addictions 10 years after graduation.
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Part I
Good day, TruthSeeker!
Paul wasn't warning the Thessalonians, he was comforting them. There were some there who were teaching that the Day of the Lord had already come, which is the time of God's wrath. The Thessalonians were writing to Paul because if the Day of the Lord had truly come, then they were concerned as to why they hadn't been caught up to meet the Lord in the air according to what Paul taught them. Paul comforts them by telling them that the Day of the Lord (the time of God's wrath) will not come until the apostasy takes place and the man of lawlessness is revealed. The comfort is that, the appearing of our Lord and our being gathered to Him, will take place prior to the Day of the Lord.
What Paul is speaking about above, is that there is no difference between Jew and Gentile believers in Christ which make up the church. However, God is going to deal with the unbelieving nation of Israel in fulfillment of that last seven years of the seventy sevens that was decree upon them in Daniel 9:24. The unbelieving nation of Israel is the woman of Revelation 12 who is clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars, which are the same symbols used in Gen.37:9-10 which represent Jacob, his wife and his sons. After the abomination has been set up, She/Israel will flee out into the wilderness--which is the desolation-and will be cared for by God for 1260 days, which is that last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. The church, which again is made up of both Jew and Gentiles, is a separate entity from the unbelieving nation of Israel, both having different end-time programs.
When the resurrection takes place, all of those who have died in Christ from the on-set of the church--both Jew and Gentile believers-- will resurrect and be caught up. Immediately after that, those who are still alive in Christ (both Jew and Gentile) will be changed immortal and glorified and caught up with those who will have just resurrected, where the whole group meets the Lord in the air. Then, as the Lord promised, He will take the entire church back to the Father's house to those places that He went to prepare for us, as described in John 14:1-3. This is why hopping is necessary, because this is not mentioned anywhere else. Although, in another scripture the Lord did say to His disciples and all believers "Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later." (John 13:36)
It is the unbelieving nation of Israel that God is going to deal with and who is in view in Matt.24 and Rev.12.
I have posted in response to this issue many, many times. The persecution that the apostles and the first century church, as well as all believers throughout the millennia till now, is because of their faith. You and others are not making a distinction between the common persecutions and tribulations which comes at the hands of men and the powers of darkness vs. the coming unprecedented wrath of God. You're not understanding that the coming wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments as being a specific period when God is going to be pouring out His wrath upon a Christ-rejecting world. This period of wrath, also known as 'the Day of the Lord' must take place prior to and continues right up to when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age which is not meant for the church. Therefore, it will be no "slap in the face for all who have died in Christ" because they suffered because of their faith and not the wrath of God. It is important for you and others to distinguish between the two.
Trials and persecution against believers in Christ will continue right up until the resurrection, where at which time the dead and living in Christ will be gathered. After that, the Day of the Lord will begin, the time of God's wrath, which will be initiated by the opening of the first seal, which is performed by the Lamb, Jesus Christ. He is therefore responsible for the fourth of the earths population being killed as a result of the opening of the 4th seal, which would be approx. 2 billion people, as well as the rest of the fatalities resulting from the trumpets and bowl judgments.
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Good day, TruthSeeker!
Paul wasn't warning the Thessalonians, he was comforting them. There were some there who were teaching that the Day of the Lord had already come, which is the time of God's wrath. The Thessalonians were writing to Paul because if the Day of the Lord had truly come, then they were concerned as to why they hadn't been caught up to meet the Lord in the air according to what Paul taught them. Paul comforts them by telling them that the Day of the Lord (the time of God's wrath) will not come until the apostasy takes place and the man of lawlessness is revealed. The comfort is that, the appearing of our Lord and our being gathered to Him, will take place prior to the Day of the Lord.
What Paul is speaking about above, is that there is no difference between Jew and Gentile believers in Christ which make up the church. However, God is going to deal with the unbelieving nation of Israel in fulfillment of that last seven years of the seventy sevens that was decree upon them in Daniel 9:24. The unbelieving nation of Israel is the woman of Revelation 12 who is clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars, which are the same symbols used in Gen.37:9-10 which represent Jacob, his wife and his sons. After the abomination has been set up, She/Israel will flee out into the wilderness--which is the desolation-and will be cared for by God for 1260 days, which is that last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. The church, which again is made up of both Jew and Gentiles, is a separate entity from the unbelieving nation of Israel, both having different end-time programs.
When the resurrection takes place, all of those who have died in Christ from the on-set of the church--both Jew and Gentile believers-- will resurrect and be caught up. Immediately after that, those who are still alive in Christ (both Jew and Gentile) will be changed immortal and glorified and caught up with those who will have just resurrected, where the whole group meets the Lord in the air. Then, as the Lord promised, He will take the entire church back to the Father's house to those places that He went to prepare for us, as described in John 14:1-3. This is why hopping is necessary, because this is not mentioned anywhere else. Although, in another scripture the Lord did say to His disciples and all believers "Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later." (John 13:36)
It is the unbelieving nation of Israel that God is going to deal with and who is in view in Matt.24 and Rev.12.
I have posted in response to this issue many, many times. The persecution that the apostles and the first century church, as well as all believers throughout the millennia till now, is because of their faith. You and others are not making a distinction between the common persecutions and tribulations which comes at the hands of men and the powers of darkness vs. the coming unprecedented wrath of God. You're not understanding that the coming wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments as being a specific period when God is going to be pouring out His wrath upon a Christ-rejecting world. This period of wrath, also known as 'the Day of the Lord' must take place prior to and continues right up to when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age which is not meant for the church. Therefore, it will be no "slap in the face for all who have died in Christ" because they suffered because of their faith and not the wrath of God. It is important for you and others to distinguish between the two.
Trials and persecution against believers in Christ will continue right up until the resurrection, where at which time the dead and living in Christ will be gathered. After that, the Day of the Lord will begin, the time of God's wrath, which will be initiated by the opening of the first seal, which is performed by the Lamb, Jesus Christ. He is therefore responsible for the fourth of the earths population being killed as a result of the opening of the 4th seal, which would be approx. 2 billion people, as well as the rest of the fatalities resulting from the trumpets and bowl judgments.
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