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Why does Let us, (which "us IS NOT capitalized like when there is a true reference to GOD) have to be Deities?
God had 7 confirmed Councils mentioned in the Tanakh.
One would think if LET US was a representation of the Trinity, the specific word US would definitely be Capitalized when we read God, Father, Holy Spirit, Spirit, WORD, Jesus, Lord, Angel of the Lord, are ALL capitalized to represent God!
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
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Lower Case "us" that DOES NOT represent GOD!
From the Hebrew:
26 And God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness, and they shall rule over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the heaven and over the animals and over all the earth and over all the creeping things that creep upon the earth." כווַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ וְיִרְדּוּ֩ בִדְגַ֨ת הַיָּ֜ם וּבְע֣וֹף הַשָּׁמַ֗יִם וּבַבְּהֵמָה֙ וּבְכָל־הָאָ֔רֶץ וּבְכָל־הָרֶ֖מֶשׂ הָֽרֹמֵ֥שׂ עַל־הָאָֽרֶץ:
A LOWER CASE NEVER represents GOD!
Just like for creative 111
22 The Lord acquired me at the beginning of His way, before His works of old.
23 From the distant past I was enthroned, from the beginning, of those that preceded the earth.
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the word "ME" is not Capitalized to show this is talking about Solomon, not Jesus!
Just like for creative 111
22 The Lord acquired me at the beginning of His way, before His works of old.
23 From the distant past I was enthroned, from the beginning, of those that preceded the earth.
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the word "ME" is not Capitalized to show this is talking about Solomon, not Jesus!
LOWER CASE NEVER REPRESENTS GOD!
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
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Lower Case "us" that DOES NOT represent GOD!
From the Hebrew:
26 And God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness, and they shall rule over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the heaven and over the animals and over all the earth and over all the creeping things that creep upon the earth." כווַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ וְיִרְדּוּ֩ בִדְגַ֨ת הַיָּ֜ם וּבְע֣וֹף הַשָּׁמַ֗יִם וּבַבְּהֵמָה֙ וּבְכָל־הָאָ֔רֶץ וּבְכָל־הָרֶ֖מֶשׂ הָֽרֹמֵ֥שׂ עַל־הָאָֽרֶץ:
A LOWER CASE NEVER represents GOD!
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Lower Case "us" that DOES NOT represent GOD!
From the Hebrew:
26 And God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness, and they shall rule over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the heaven and over the animals and over all the earth and over all the creeping things that creep upon the earth." כווַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ וְיִרְדּוּ֩ בִדְגַ֨ת הַיָּ֜ם וּבְע֣וֹף הַשָּׁמַ֗יִם וּבַבְּהֵמָה֙ וּבְכָל־הָאָ֔רֶץ וּבְכָל־הָרֶ֖מֶשׂ הָֽרֹמֵ֥שׂ עַל־הָאָֽרֶץ:
A LOWER CASE NEVER represents GOD!
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Hi Ahwatukee! You have your "cults" mixed up. It's the Mormons who teach Jeus is the spirit brother of Lucifer. Mormon general authority Milton Hunter wrote a book called. "The Gospel Through the Ages" and said it on page 15, paragraph 2 or 3 I believe. I know because I have the book. Also other Mormon's said the same thing. Keep up the good work.
IN GOD THE SON,
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IN GOD THE SON,
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Below is the text of Col 1:16-17 quoted verbatim from the Watchtower
Society's New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures ©1969.
"Because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens
and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter
whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All
[other] things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before
all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to
exist."
The word "other" is in brackets to alert readers that "other" is not in the
Greek manuscript; viz: the Society's translators took the liberty to pencil it
in; which gives the impression that God's son was His first creation; and
thereafter, the Son created everything else.
NOTE: I heard it from a JW that the Society's translators added "other"
because that's what Col 1:16-17 means to say even though it doesn't say so
in writing. In other words; that portion of the Society's Bible is an
interpretation rather than a translation.
One day, a pair of Watchtower missionaries came to my door consisting of
an experienced worker and a trainee. I immediately began subjecting the
trainee to a line of questioning that homed in on the Society's rather
dishonest habit of penciling in words that go to reinforcing its line of
thinking.
I had him read the Society's text of Col 1:16-17 and then pointed out that
the word "other" is in brackets to alert him to the fact that "other" is not in
the Greek manuscript. The experienced worker corroborated my statement.
I then proceeded to have the trainee read the passage sans "other". It
comes out like this:
"By means of him all things were created in the heavens and upon the earth,
the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are
thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All things have been
created through him and for him. Also, he is before all things and by means
of him all things were made to exist."
The trainee's eyes really lit up; and he actually grinned with delight to
discover that Col 1:16-17 reveals something quite different than what he
was led to believe.
Had I pressed the attack; I would have pointed out that the Society is
inconsistent with its use of the word "other" by failing to pencil it into John
1:3 in order to make it read like this:
"All [other] things came into existence through him, and apart from him not
even one [other] thing came into existence."
Now; as to tampering with Paul's letters, and forcing them to mean things
they don't say in writing; this is what Peter has to say about that.
● 2Pet 3:15-16 . . Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as
salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul according to the wisdom given
him also wrote you, speaking about these things as he does also in all his
letters. In them, however, are some things hard to understand, which the
untaught and unsteady are twisting, as they do also the rest of the
Scriptures, to their own destruction.
NOTE: The 1984 revised version of the New World Translation omits
brackets around the word "other" in Col 1:16-17. However, it's readily seen
from the Watchtower Society's Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek
Scriptures that "other" is nowhere to be found in the Greek text. Caveat
Lector.
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Below is the text of Col 1:16-17 quoted verbatim from the Watchtower
Society's New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures ©1969.
"Because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens
and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter
whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All
[other] things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before
all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to
exist."
The word "other" is in brackets to alert readers that "other" is not in the
Greek manuscript; viz: the Society's translators took the liberty to pencil it
in; which gives the impression that God's son was His first creation; and
thereafter, the Son created everything else.
NOTE: I heard it from a JW that the Society's translators added "other"
because that's what Col 1:16-17 means to say even though it doesn't say so
in writing. In other words; that portion of the Society's Bible is an
interpretation rather than a translation.
One day, a pair of Watchtower missionaries came to my door consisting of
an experienced worker and a trainee. I immediately began subjecting the
trainee to a line of questioning that homed in on the Society's rather
dishonest habit of penciling in words that go to reinforcing its line of
thinking.
I had him read the Society's text of Col 1:16-17 and then pointed out that
the word "other" is in brackets to alert him to the fact that "other" is not in
the Greek manuscript. The experienced worker corroborated my statement.
I then proceeded to have the trainee read the passage sans "other". It
comes out like this:
"By means of him all things were created in the heavens and upon the earth,
the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are
thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All things have been
created through him and for him. Also, he is before all things and by means
of him all things were made to exist."
The trainee's eyes really lit up; and he actually grinned with delight to
discover that Col 1:16-17 reveals something quite different than what he
was led to believe.
Had I pressed the attack; I would have pointed out that the Society is
inconsistent with its use of the word "other" by failing to pencil it into John
1:3 in order to make it read like this:
"All [other] things came into existence through him, and apart from him not
even one [other] thing came into existence."
Now; as to tampering with Paul's letters, and forcing them to mean things
they don't say in writing; this is what Peter has to say about that.
● 2Pet 3:15-16 . . Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as
salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul according to the wisdom given
him also wrote you, speaking about these things as he does also in all his
letters. In them, however, are some things hard to understand, which the
untaught and unsteady are twisting, as they do also the rest of the
Scriptures, to their own destruction.
NOTE: The 1984 revised version of the New World Translation omits
brackets around the word "other" in Col 1:16-17. However, it's readily seen
from the Watchtower Society's Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek
Scriptures that "other" is nowhere to be found in the Greek text. Caveat
Lector.
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Who is the "Us" and "Our" below?
Genesis 1:26KJV
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 1:26KJV
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
And to show proof even in this verse of Capitalization equals God:
Look at the word "ME," it's lower case, but look at word LORD and His ways (Both Capitalized indicating these 2 words mean GOD).
So clearly, this verse is 100% when referring to "me," is all about Solomon, before God ever spoke the first words of Creation into place.
I told you, God has 7 Councils in the Tanakh.
Psalms 82 is one of those Councils and God calls the Angles (Sons of God)!
1 (A Psalm of Asaph.) God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
Look at verse 6:
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
We know Angels are not literally GOD, but see How God calls His Council Members (little g) gods and Children of the most High.
Notice High is capitalize to indicate GOD!
Biker you need to calm down. Firstly your premise is false; you said "I am tired of reading IGNORANCE and False Doctrines". Are you aware that in both the original Hebrew and Greek that ALL words are capitalised! There are no uncapitalised words in the original languages, it is only MODERN DAY SCHOLARS when translating the Greek or Hebrew to English capitalise or uncapitalse words as this is how English is written. Therefore it is down to the modern-day scholar to determine if he/she thinks it necessary to do so based on their understanding of BOTH doctrine and grammar.
Clearly the only ignorant one here is you, your premise if false therefore your appeal to the "me" in V22 holds no weight.
Secondly, you COMPLETELY ignored my point towards your statement "This is why I go to the Church Fathers. They know better than us both." YOU appealed to what the Church Father believed and wrote about, I then showed you what the CF wrote about and believed, you then proceed to ignore my point and pretend you're blind and yet... I have the bad theology and am ignorant...very rich coming from you Biker.
Do you accept what the CF wrote regarding Jesus being the Wisdom of God? Yay or Nay? Stop running away from this argument.
Clearly the only ignorant one here is you, your premise if false therefore your appeal to the "me" in V22 holds no weight.
Secondly, you COMPLETELY ignored my point towards your statement "This is why I go to the Church Fathers. They know better than us both." YOU appealed to what the Church Father believed and wrote about, I then showed you what the CF wrote about and believed, you then proceed to ignore my point and pretend you're blind and yet... I have the bad theology and am ignorant...very rich coming from you Biker.
Do you accept what the CF wrote regarding Jesus being the Wisdom of God? Yay or Nay? Stop running away from this argument.
No doubt by the thousands of examples throughout the Bible, if let us, our image, our likeness were God, it would have been Capitalized.
Show me a true verse where it is discussing Yahweh/Yeshua/Holy Spirit where God, Lord, Spirit, Holy Spirit, most High, IS NOT Capitalized?
You can't, because any time it is a reference to God, it is Capitalized.
So then, Genesis 1:26 is not about a false trinity!
It's about God and His Council Members who ARE Angels!
From the actual Tanakh
From the Hebrew:
26 And God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness, and they shall rule over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the heaven and over the animals and over all the earth and over all the creeping things that creep upon the earth."
כווַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ וְיִרְדּוּ֩ בִדְגַ֨ת הַיָּ֜ם וּבְע֣וֹף הַשָּׁמַ֗יִם וּבַבְּהֵמָה֙ וּבְכָל־הָאָ֔רֶץ וּבְכָל־הָרֶ֖מֶשׂ הָֽרֹמֵ֥שׂ עַל־הָאָֽרֶץ:
Show me where every word is Capitalized?
I'm sorry, what are my assumptions?
I don't think you get it, if your premise is false, everything that follows after is also false since it based on a false premise. You cant build a house on sand.
There were NO capitalised letters in Hebrew of Greek, ESSETIALLY EVERYTHING YOU READ WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS. Therefore to use ANY argument where words are shown as uncapitalised or capitalised is folly as its all based on MODERN scholar's understanding of the scriptures and not necessarily the first century Christians.
I don't think you get it, if your premise is false, everything that follows after is also false since it based on a false premise. You cant build a house on sand.
There were NO capitalised letters in Hebrew of Greek, ESSETIALLY EVERYTHING YOU READ WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS. Therefore to use ANY argument where words are shown as uncapitalised or capitalised is folly as its all based on MODERN scholar's understanding of the scriptures and not necessarily the first century Christians.