Thoughts on Philosophy and its relation to faith?

[pottersclay]

All of creation testifies of God. Yet scripture tells us that no one seeks after God. Scripture also tells us that man was created in the image of God.
I think that philosophy is the carnal mind exploring the why's and therefore of life and reason and brings us to a point that demands a conclusion. That conclusion is life of any purpose and design and if so what or who designed it.
I think until we accept that there is another force that is involved in life we become stagnant and hard hearted.
Reminding our selves that the Lord created all things both great and small for a purpose and not for radom sake by design and not just to exist is the catalyst that makes ones mind to seek purpose and reason.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

Socrates was sentenced to death because he refused to teach or accept the Greek pantheon of gods. He believed there could be only one God and for that He was charged as an atheist.

That is incorrect. Socrates was put to death for corrupting the youth, very telling about the wicked modern secularized education system which cites Socrates as the father of this thing. In the days of the superior ancients education was always handled from father to son, the correct way of things. Socrates undid this, leading children away from their parents to be corrupted by his philosophies, this is the birth of the modern education system.

Socrates was a pagan. His last words are even orders to offer a sacrifice to a demon before he then commits suicide by drinking poison (quite poetic for the poisoner of the white race.) Still to this day the heretical and the infidels venerate this demon in the profession of western medicine.

 

[Benadam]

Well, what I posted is from the philosophy department at Athens university. Someone close to me took Philosophy there.

 

[garee]

I have come across a number of people, who seem to believe, that the study of ancient or modern philosophy can weaken the Christian's faith. While, in a certain sense this might be true, if presented in the way of strict atheism. However, many Christians throughout history, have found secular scholarship to be something helping one grow in faith. At the same time, I have come across many Christians, who use the figure of Plato, as a name for all that is wrong with said branch of Christianity, said Christian does not like. Why is that? In my own experience, such ancient texts have shown fruitful, in understanding the world around us; is this not the case, with philosophy?

I would offer first that atheism is referred to as fools. No God in the heart. The religion of natural unconverted mankind The philosophies of faithless men. They look to the things seen the temporal as corrupted rudiments of this world after oral traditions. No established perfect law needed for circular reasoning.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

[Dino246]

I would offer first that atheism is referred to as fools. No God in the heart. The religion of natural unconverted mankind The philosophies of faithless men. They look to the things seen the temporal as corrupted rudiments of this world after oral traditions. No established perfect law needed for circular reasoning.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

There you go with the wrong idea of circular reasoning again. When will you humble yourself and learn the proper meaning?

 

[garee]

There you go with the wrong idea of circular reasoning again. When will you humble yourself and learn the proper meaning?

Wrong for philosophers they have no perfect law of faith like that of Christianity .All truth as a law is God's truth. Faith comes by hearing and hearing comes by the word of God

When will you humble yourself under the faith of God and learn the proper meaning?

 

[Dino246]

Wrong for philosophers they have no perfect law of faith like that of Christianity .All truth as a law is God's truth. Faith comes by hearing and hearing comes by the word of God

Ignorant blather. Circular reasoning is a fallacy of logic, not a means of philosophy. I've told you that before, but you're unteachable.

When will you humble yourself under the faith of God and learn the proper meaning?

You're becoming an intolerable boor.

 

[garee]

Ignorant blather. Circular reasoning is a fallacy of logic, not a means of philosophy.

You're becoming an intolerable boor.

Yes, Not by means of philosophy but a perfect law a complete circuit. end to end. The circle cannot be broken .I have told you before.

 

[garee]

That is incorrect. Socrates was put to death for corrupting the youth, very telling about the wicked modern secularized education system which cites Socrates as the father of this thing. In the days of the superior ancients education was always handled from father to son, the correct way of things. Socrates undid this, leading children away from their parents to be corrupted by his philosophies, this is the birth of the modern education system.

Socrates was a pagan. His last words are even orders to offer a sacrifice to a demon before he then commits suicide by drinking poison (quite poetic for the poisoner of the white race.) Still to this day the heretical and the infidels venerate this demon in the profession of western medicine.

Never coming to the knowledge of God's truths. The perfect law of faith. Philosophy faithless. Can't find God through the philosophies of men or after the corrupt rudiments of this world .

2 Timothy 3:6-8 King James Version (KJV) For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

 

[Benadam]

Philosophy isn't condemned it's like a kitchen knife, it's a tool that can be misused.

 

[Truth7t7]

I have come across a number of people, who seem to believe, that the study of ancient or modern philosophy can weaken the Christian's faith. While, in a certain sense this might be true, if presented in the way of strict atheism. However, many Christians throughout history, have found secular scholarship to be something helping one grow in faith. At the same time, I have come across many Christians, who use the figure of Plato, as a name for all that is wrong with said branch of Christianity, said Christian does not like. Why is that? In my own experience, such ancient texts have shown fruitful, in understanding the world around us; is this not the case, with philosophy?

Colossians 2:8KJV
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

[Truth7t7]

That is incorrect. Socrates was put to death for corrupting the youth, very telling about the wicked modern secularized education system which cites Socrates as the father of this thing. In the days of the superior ancients education was always handled from father to son, the correct way of things. Socrates undid this, leading children away from their parents to be corrupted by his philosophies, this is the birth of the modern education system.

Socrates was a pagan. His last words are even orders to offer a sacrifice to a demon before he then commits suicide by drinking poison (quite poetic for the poisoner of the white race.) Still to this day the heretical and the infidels venerate this demon in the profession of western medicine.

I agree 100% good post, philosophy is evil poison, a huge enemy of christianity!

 

[Benadam]

I agree 100% good post, philosophy is evil poison, a huge enemy of christianity!

Philosophy is evil? That's like saying the knife used to cut food into bite sized pieces is evil.

 

[JaumeJ]

Philosophy apart from Socrates, is a complete waste of anyone-s time. It deals with relative truth, and never absolute. Now if one is dealing with facts of this age, that could be helpful always, but those are temporal and bound for the fire. I do not wish to be associated with such trivial maters when we have the ultimate and great teacher.....Jesus-Yeshua.

 

[oyster67]

Philosophy is evil? That's like saying the knife used to cut food into bite sized pieces is evil.

Is that what philosophy does?

Just add a little glue, and our little cut-and-paste system will be complete. We can create our own little "doctines" custom designed to suit our own particular fancies.

Its nice to keep things in context and to prefer synthesis over disection.

 

[Benadam]

Is that what philosophy does?

Just add a little glue, and our little cut-and-paste system will be complete. We can create our own little "doctines" custom designed to suit our own particular fancies.

Its nice to keep things in context and to prefer synthesis over disection.

cutting food into bite sized pieces is a biblical image of a teacher explaining divine revelation.

We teach what we see. We explain the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the Church. DWe don't teach intellectual concoctions. Philosophy offers a construct and language that helps explain the spiritual realities that enter into the lives of Christians..

 

[DorothyMae]

I have come across a number of people, who seem to believe, that the study of ancient or modern philosophy can weaken the Christian's faith. While, in a certain sense this might be true, if presented in the way of strict atheism. However, many Christians throughout history, have found secular scholarship to be something helping one grow in faith. At the same time, I have come across many Christians, who use the figure of Plato, as a name for all that is wrong with said branch of Christianity, said Christian does not like. Why is that? In my own experience, such ancient texts have shown fruitful, in understanding the world around us; is this not the case, with philosophy?

If I may, be so bold, many simple people including Christians don’t understand philosophy. But there are highly intelligent Christians who do understand it. The less endowed tend to put down the whole field rather than admit it is several notices above their mental prowess.

 

[oyster67]

Philosophy offers a construct and language that helps explain the spiritual realities that enter into the lives of Christians..

The Spirit of discernment and understanding is the correct tool for the job. Our text book is the Bible. It is not a book of philosophical fables.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

I agree 100% good post, philosophy is evil poison, a huge enemy of christianity!

It is notable to me that on this side of the crucifixion and resurrection of Lord Jesus that most pagan ways are heavily entrenched into philosophies and boring heretical doctrines.

It makes me think of the dream of Nebuchadnezzar and how he saw the image of man made of layers of metal, each layer becoming increasingly inferior to the last until the day that the Rock of God falls upon them and shatters their whole system.

 

[Benadam]

The Spirit of discernment and understanding is the correct tool for the job. Our text book is the Bible. It is not a book of philosophical fables.

the spirit of discernment and understanding? Learning any subject Well requires that. Yes, philosophy supports discernment and understanding. Philosophy is a tool. What fables are bound to it?