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The truth about tongues: a DIVISIVE force in Christianity today
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But His Words also drives a divide between those calling themselves Believers. If this were not so, why do we have BRANCHES of BELIEFS like Baptist, Wesleyans, Methodists, Prez, Pentecostals, etc? If God's WORD did not divide, there should only be ONE FAITH GROUP!
But it is not Christians when the Christians consists of Catholics, JWs, Mormons, and the multi-groups like Baptists and the rest!
We are DIVIDED just like God intended.
Which also means, not a Single Group has the full Truth!
And why we should not condemn 1 Group for something when our own Group is as guilty on something else!
But it is not Christians when the Christians consists of Catholics, JWs, Mormons, and the multi-groups like Baptists and the rest!
We are DIVIDED just like God intended.
Which also means, not a Single Group has the full Truth!
And why we should not condemn 1 Group for something when our own Group is as guilty on something else!
Paul clearly said that prophecies would cease, and that was in connection with Scripture (a complete Bible). All Scripture is divine revelation, and all divine revelation is prophecy.
PETER SAID PROPHECY IS SCRIPTURE, AND SCRIPTURE IS PROPHECY
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (2 Peter 1:19-21)
Whatever pertains to out personal lives is not even in view. The Holy Spirit speaks to individuals personally and directly.
PETER SAID PROPHECY IS SCRIPTURE, AND SCRIPTURE IS PROPHECY
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (2 Peter 1:19-21)
Whatever pertains to out personal lives is not even in view. The Holy Spirit speaks to individuals personally and directly.
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its fake because anyone can stand up in that crowd and start making the babbel sounds. walking on water, i real gift, can not be faked.
and if you hear it word for word in your mind it makes no sense to speak it in a nonesense babbel sound that can be understood by no one. you guys can never explain that.
you guys claim its a "mystery" language not of this world because of the "angel language" phrase used by Paul yet no angel in the bible ever used this language, the Father never used this language when speaking to the prophets, Jesus, the Fathers anointed never used this language. if this is some special "divine" language why did no one ever use it?
and IMO the biggist issue with this, it serves no purpose, angels dont need it to speak to us, and the Father can understand us just fine when we speak to him in our common language. if you ask the Father for a drink of water in the "angel" language, its the exact same thing as asking the Father for a drink of water in your common language. your getting a drink of water either way. unless you can show that the water received is somehow different when asked for in the angel language, there is no point to this idea.
and if you hear it word for word in your mind it makes no sense to speak it in a nonesense babbel sound that can be understood by no one. you guys can never explain that.
you guys claim its a "mystery" language not of this world because of the "angel language" phrase used by Paul yet no angel in the bible ever used this language, the Father never used this language when speaking to the prophets, Jesus, the Fathers anointed never used this language. if this is some special "divine" language why did no one ever use it?
and IMO the biggist issue with this, it serves no purpose, angels dont need it to speak to us, and the Father can understand us just fine when we speak to him in our common language. if you ask the Father for a drink of water in the "angel" language, its the exact same thing as asking the Father for a drink of water in your common language. your getting a drink of water either way. unless you can show that the water received is somehow different when asked for in the angel language, there is no point to this idea.
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If a message is given that pertains to me or another individual where my faith had been wrecked by ''know it all'' naysayers that no one knew but Jesus what I was going through and they nailed it .. There's plenty ''point to it'' .. Encouragement, building up , strength and edification of both the individual and the local body ....
Modern tongues are in fact faked quite a lot, this isn't to say that real tongues is gone it is just much more seemingly rare because people have a hard time knowing the fine line between real and fake ones.
This pentecostal church I went to teaches to try to force the tongues out for instance, they teach to just start saying random babble( and I am not kidding either) and then tongues will manifest itself.
Other people claim to speak it and have a decent understanding of how to speak Hebrew and do just that, it sounds believable but has no power in it.
It is actually quite easy to fake especially if you know how to speak another language not native to your own tongue, and so is the gift of prophecy as well. Even having a basic understanding of events or things to happen in the future is enough to claim to be prophetic hence all the fake prophets you see all the time.
The gifts are faked not just because the enemy mocks the gifts of the spirit but when people don't have an understanding of the gifts and try to use them they can even convince themselves they walk in it when they don't and without even meaning to they become the blind leading the blind especially with how easy it seems to be to sound or seem legit
This pentecostal church I went to teaches to try to force the tongues out for instance, they teach to just start saying random babble( and I am not kidding either) and then tongues will manifest itself.
Other people claim to speak it and have a decent understanding of how to speak Hebrew and do just that, it sounds believable but has no power in it.
It is actually quite easy to fake especially if you know how to speak another language not native to your own tongue, and so is the gift of prophecy as well. Even having a basic understanding of events or things to happen in the future is enough to claim to be prophetic hence all the fake prophets you see all the time.
The gifts are faked not just because the enemy mocks the gifts of the spirit but when people don't have an understanding of the gifts and try to use them they can even convince themselves they walk in it when they don't and without even meaning to they become the blind leading the blind especially with how easy it seems to be to sound or seem legit
Prophecy isn't just receiving divine revelation or prophetic insight to future events. It's main purpose is exactly what a prophet is called to be and that is to help lead guide edify strengthen and encourage the church.
The point of tongues is to do just that it is to empower and strengthen and guide the church, this is why it is so vital to understand what prophecy is and how it works and also what it is for.
Until all is complete the church is going to need these things and so proophecy and all it's forms will not cease, yes it is true that many misunderstand and misuse this gift often times producing fake tongues but that does not mean that it is all fake or has ceased.
The point of tongues is to do just that it is to empower and strengthen and guide the church, this is why it is so vital to understand what prophecy is and how it works and also what it is for.
Until all is complete the church is going to need these things and so proophecy and all it's forms will not cease, yes it is true that many misunderstand and misuse this gift often times producing fake tongues but that does not mean that it is all fake or has ceased.
I agree but when you add to what is taught in the bible you create problems. If you spoke a tongue and everyone regardless of their tongue heard and understood what you spoke it would be terrific.
Even though most here speak English we cannot agree on what the words mean. Some see tongues as languages and others see tongues as ecstatic utterances. Some even go so far as to claim angelic languages.
Clear evidence that the judgment of God given at the tower of Babel is still in effect.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Even though most here speak English we cannot agree on what the words mean. Some see tongues as languages and others see tongues as ecstatic utterances. Some even go so far as to claim angelic languages.
Clear evidence that the judgment of God given at the tower of Babel is still in effect.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Fake prophecy?
Prophecy has not ceased .Adding to it or subtracting from it violates the warning not to.
Need more that he has revealed ? For what purpose ( self edifying ?) How much is needed to do that. And does it run low? Why?
Prophecy the tongue of God, its main purpose is to give us the understanding of God .The understanding edifies God. Not the church that which it seems what you are hoping edifying is senseless sounds that for some reason some unseen power causes men to fall backward.
No need to seek after signs and lying wonders rather than prophecy .
Look to the foundation Isaiah 28 of the law. It is revisited in 1 Corinthians 14:21-22
Prophecy has not ceased .Adding to it or subtracting from it violates the warning not to.
Need more that he has revealed ? For what purpose ( self edifying ?) How much is needed to do that. And does it run low? Why?
Prophecy the tongue of God, its main purpose is to give us the understanding of God .The understanding edifies God. Not the church that which it seems what you are hoping edifying is senseless sounds that for some reason some unseen power causes men to fall backward.
No need to seek after signs and lying wonders rather than prophecy .
Look to the foundation Isaiah 28 of the law. It is revisited in 1 Corinthians 14:21-22
I never said prophecy has ceased and nowhere did I say anything about self edifying in fact I said the exact opposite. The purpose of God using the gift of prophecy for his church is again for edification to build up guide and strenghten his church. The same with tongues as well as understanding of God I have no clue how you misunderstand what I said so sevrely non of which you responded was in any way what I was talking about