The truth about tongues: a DIVISIVE force in Christianity today

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modern tongues serve no purpose other than being able to tell people you speak in tongues.
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Not true. When a person speaks in tongues, he is speaking to God (1 Cor 14:2), he is speaking the wonderful works of God (Acts 2:11), he is magnifying God (Acts 10:46), he is giving thanks well (1 Cor 14:17), he is edifying himself (1 Cor 14:4), he is praying in the spirit (1 Cor 14:14-15), he is building himself up (Jude 20), he is doing what God wants him to do (1 Cor 14:5), and more.
 
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Oh Lord! We ask you to pour out your Spirit upon all flesh, that your sons and your daughters will prophesy and that all Gods people would be prophets. Fill us with the Holy Spirit and boldness to preach your word in the name of Jesus Christ with the power from on high that you desire for us to operate in.
In Jesus Name I pray, Amen.
 
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Not true. When a person speaks in tongues, he is speaking to God (1 Cor 14:2), he is speaking the wonderful works of God (Acts 2:11), he is magnifying God (Acts 10:46), he is giving thanks well (1 Cor 14:17), he is edifying himself (1 Cor 14:4), he is praying in the spirit (1 Cor 14:14-15), he is building himself up (Jude 20), he is doing what God wants him to do (1 Cor 14:5), and more.
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when people speak in their common language they do the exact same thing. unless you can explain a difference then their only purpose is being able to tell others you speak in tongues.
 
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when people speak in their common language they do the exact same thing. unless you can explain a difference then their only purpose is being able to tell others you speak in tongues.
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You're going to have to prove that. Also, speaking in your common language is not speaking in tongues, which Paul explicitly says (by revelation) that he would like all Christians to do.
 
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You're going to have to prove that. Also, speaking in your common language is not speaking in tongues, which Paul explicitly says (by revelation) that he would like all Christians to do.
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But if you interpreted Paul as saying that, then isn’t he contradicting himself when he said in 1 cor 12:30, do all speak in tongues?
 
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But if you interpreted Paul as saying that, then isn’t he contradicting himself when he said in 1 cor 12:30, do all speak in tongues?
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No because Paul was talking about operating in the church assembly in the gift of tongues and interpretation when he asked that. Not all will speak in tongues, only two or three and only with an interpreter.
 
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But if you interpreted Paul as saying that, then isn’t he contradicting himself when he said in 1 cor 12:30, do all speak in tongues?
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No. He said by revelation that he would like all Christians to speak in tongues. Then he asked a question: "do all speak in tongues?" The answer is no. In meetings, which is the overall context of 1 Cor 12-14, not every Christian does speak in tongues. It does not contradict his first statement.
 
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No because Paul was talking about operating in the church assembly in the gift of tongues and interpretation when he asked that. Not all will speak in tongues, only two or three and only with an interpreter.
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But he used the analogy of the body parts to get to that point. Surely an eye will never be a mouth, no matter what?
 
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But he used the analogy of the body parts to get to that point. Surely an eye will never be a mouth, no matter what?
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The body assembled together, each operating in their gift to edify the whole.
 
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You're going to have to prove that.
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Jesus praying in the common language of the day

Matthew 26:39
And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.”

Also, speaking in your common language is not speaking in tongues,
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speaking in a common language is not speaking in a language? with respect this is a nonsensical statement.
 
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The body assembled together, each operating in their gift to edify the whole.
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So my point was that it is strange to restrict 1 Cor 12:30 to only during church gatherings.

An eye will not be a mouth period, no matter which context and circumstance.

Taking just 1 verse, 1 Cor 14:5, to form doctrine is unwise.
 
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So my point was that it is strange to restrict 1 Cor 12:30 to only during church gatherings.

An eye will not be a mouth period, no matter which context and circumstance.

Taking just 1 verse, 1 Cor 14:5, to form doctrine is unwise.
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It is the examination of all scriptures about speaking in tongues that one comes to the conclusion that Paul is talking about the assembly here. As all 120 spoke in tongues, all the Ephesus disciples in the account recorded, all the house of Cornelius, all the Corinthians apparently; howbeit out of order.
 
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Jesus praying in the common language of the day

Matthew 26:39
And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.”
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What is your point?


speaking in a common language is not speaking in a language? with respect this is a nonsensical statement.
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When a person speaks in tongues he does not understand what he is saying ( 1 Cor 14:2, 14).
 
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What is your point?



When a person speaks in tongues he does not understand what he is saying ( 1 Cor 14:2, 14).
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lets start over, you dont seem to be getting what i am trying to explain.

lets say you have two men, both have wives in the hospital with the flu. both men pray, one man prays in tongues the angel language (mystery /spirit etc), the other man prays in tongues the common language.

please explain the difference in these prayers.
 
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What happened at Pentecost was a kind of reversal of what happened at Babel. At Pentecost the Holy Spirit allowed people there of various races understand what the disciples were saying. I see the main point as being that the Holy Spirit gives us understanding of Gods word regardless of race language or culture. We don't need a tower to reach God ie works because God comes down to us. I'm sure there is more to it than this but thats what I can see at present.
 
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another problem with tongues, if you go through the bible and examine the divine gifts given by the Father, fire from heaven, staff turning to a snake, remote viewing, walking on water, healing leprosy, casting out demons, etc etc, unless you have divine help from the heavens (gift) you cant do these things, people cant just go walk on water or heal leprosy with a single touch, however tongues as in a mystery language is something anyone can do, all you have to do is start making babble sounds.
 
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another problem with tongues, if you go through the bible and examine the divine gifts given by the Father, fire from heaven, staff turning to a snake, remote viewing, walking on water, healing leprosy, casting out demons, etc etc, unless you have divine help from the heavens (gift) you cant do these things, people cant just go walk on water or heal leprosy with a single touch, however tongues as in a mystery language is something anyone can do, all you have to do is start making babble sounds.
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Yep, this is the elephant in the room.

No one can verify tongues, unlike the other gifts, so that is the clear reason why continualists focus so much on tongues.
 
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jaybird88 said:
modern tongues serve no purpose other than being able to tell people you speak in tongues.
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Yes modern tongues serve no other purppse but true tongues that of which is born out of a true of heart of God and from God is born from only the most pure of reasons. Todays tongues is so commonly mimicked abd misused so much so people think tongues whenever talked about testified of or even heard of from other people is fake and sadly I have enbcountered mostly fake tongues.

The state of which tonguies is now thanks to these so called tongue speakers makes it appear fake and irrelevant, had i not grown to believe what I do based solely on him and not on other people or what I percieve to be truth I also would have without a doubt seen tongues as not just fake but complete nonsense.

However there is a true tongues given only to the worthy. I have encountered tongues only once and what it did for me I can never forget. I am sure the enemy would love for us to think tongues is gone but even if I haden;t experienced it myself I base my beliefs not on what I think I know or what others think they know but what I have come to know of him.
The enemy has done a great job of producing fake tongues, so much so people think it is gone, but anyone who knows me on here knows I am an honest person perhaps to honest given I give testimony to what I have seen and experienced to much and the only testimony to my name for tongues was perhaps the most profund and powerful thing I have experienced in him
 
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Yes modern tongues serve no other purppse but true tongues that of which is born out of a true of heart of God and from God is born from only the most pure of reasons. Todays tongues is so commonly mimicked abd misused so much so people think tongues whenever talked about testified of or even heard of from other people is fake and sadly I have enbcountered mostly fake tongues.

The state of which tonguies is now thanks to these so called tongue speakers makes it appear fake and irrelevant, had i not grown to believe what I do based solely on him and not on other people or what I percieve to be truth I also would have without a doubt seen tongues as not just fake but complete nonsense.

However there is a true tongues given only to the worthy. I have encountered tongues only once and what it did for me I can never forget. I am sure the enemy would love for us to think tongues is gone but even if I haden;t experienced it myself I base my beliefs not on what I think I know or what others think they know but what I have come to know of him.
The enemy has done a great job of producing fake tongues, so much so people think it is gone, but anyone who knows me on here knows I am an honest person perhaps to honest given I give testimony to what I have seen and experienced to much and the only testimony to my name for tongues was perhaps the most profund and powerful thing I have experienced in him
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blain what you up to? i always remember the story you said about working in the heat and it was so hot you went around back into a walk in freezer and layed down on some frozen french fries or something. they way you told it sounded so funny.

yeah the real tongues had a legit reason, they were commanded to go off into the nations where they spoke unknown language.
 
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Yep, this is the elephant in the room.

No one can verify tongues, unlike the other gifts, so that is the clear reason why continualists focus so much on tongues.
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we are told to test all things.
 
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