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I read a portion of a Jehovah Witness bible once, The New World Translation, in the first chapter of John - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. That was all that I read. I gave the bible back . For Christmas I gave that person a NKJV. This OP does not merit further discussion on my part.
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I spoke with some of those post-teen 'elders' that travel around a few years back now because I wanted to know first hand what they believed.
One of them admitted to me that he had never read the bible before *facepalm*
Some of the things I learned about the JWs practice on how they treat these 'elders' is downright terrible. It's a cult and they don't realise they're in it.
We felt so bad for them that we bought them bags of groceries for Christmas. They were almost living on rations. The JWs take thousands of dollars from them before their 'mission' and give them allowance like its a trust fund or something.
One of them admitted to me that he had never read the bible before *facepalm*
Some of the things I learned about the JWs practice on how they treat these 'elders' is downright terrible. It's a cult and they don't realise they're in it.
We felt so bad for them that we bought them bags of groceries for Christmas. They were almost living on rations. The JWs take thousands of dollars from them before their 'mission' and give them allowance like its a trust fund or something.
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Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe in the deity of Christ nor do they believe in the trinity.
Next time I have a chat with one I'm going to start by asking them why they are Jehovah's Witnesses. Of course I don't expect to get a truthful or revealing answer if there are two of them together. They probably consider it their duty to snitch on each other if they don't give the stock answer. That's what I would expect from a religious cult group.
Next time I have a chat with one I'm going to start by asking them why they are Jehovah's Witnesses. Of course I don't expect to get a truthful or revealing answer if there are two of them together. They probably consider it their duty to snitch on each other if they don't give the stock answer. That's what I would expect from a religious cult group.
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BTW, about two years ago I did a google search for the man considered to be the leader of the JWs. I then did a search for his net worth. I don't remember his name but his net worth was believed to be 900 million dollars. I figured it had to be about money, it certainly wasn't about truth.
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Christians affirm the biblical description and apologetic for the Resurrection – that Jesus Christ
was truly and physically raised from the dead by God on the third day following His crucifixion.
The Apostle Paul saw this as a core and irreducible doctrine of the Christian faith (see 1 Corinthians 15:12-20).
The Watch Tower insists that “God disposed of Jesus’ body, not allowing it to see corruption and thus
preventing its becoming a stumbling block to faith.” (The Watchtower, November 15, 1991, page 31).
They explicitly deny that Jesus Christ was physically raised in the flesh and believe that
all statements to that effect are unscriptural (see Studies in the Scriptures, vol.7, page 57).
The Watch Tower teaches that Jesus passed out of existence at death, that God disposed of
His body and that on the third day God created Him once again as the archangel Michael.
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was truly and physically raised from the dead by God on the third day following His crucifixion.
The Apostle Paul saw this as a core and irreducible doctrine of the Christian faith (see 1 Corinthians 15:12-20).
The Watch Tower insists that “God disposed of Jesus’ body, not allowing it to see corruption and thus
preventing its becoming a stumbling block to faith.” (The Watchtower, November 15, 1991, page 31).
They explicitly deny that Jesus Christ was physically raised in the flesh and believe that
all statements to that effect are unscriptural (see Studies in the Scriptures, vol.7, page 57).
The Watch Tower teaches that Jesus passed out of existence at death, that God disposed of
His body and that on the third day God created Him once again as the archangel Michael.
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Actually God said that everything He created was "good, He did not say perfect. I'm pretty sure that where your going with this, or way the Jw is going with this is if Adam was perfect how come he sinned? The fact of the matter is that God gave us "free will." Adam and Eve chose to disobey God and that is why we now live in this "upholstered" cesspool known as earth.
Turn the conversation around on him and ask him who is Jesus Christ. Don't talk or even mention the Trinity even if he brings it up. Ask him, "Is it my understanding Jesus is a created being, is that right? They will say yes.
Then ask him the following question? If Jesus is created then how do you explain John 1:3? Look it up and read it for yourself. Also look up Colossians 1:16. Please do a little homework and keep it simple. The Jw will tell you from Colossians 1:16 that Jesus created all other things. They added the word "other" in their Bible. Then you say, "What are these other things?" Give me some examples.
You can also quote Isaiah 44:24 where Jehovah created all things BY HIMSELF and ALL AONE. Tell him to reconcile this with what Jesus created? Just study it out and go from there.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Turn the conversation around on him and ask him who is Jesus Christ. Don't talk or even mention the Trinity even if he brings it up. Ask him, "Is it my understanding Jesus is a created being, is that right? They will say yes.
Then ask him the following question? If Jesus is created then how do you explain John 1:3? Look it up and read it for yourself. Also look up Colossians 1:16. Please do a little homework and keep it simple. The Jw will tell you from Colossians 1:16 that Jesus created all other things. They added the word "other" in their Bible. Then you say, "What are these other things?" Give me some examples.
You can also quote Isaiah 44:24 where Jehovah created all things BY HIMSELF and ALL AONE. Tell him to reconcile this with what Jesus created? Just study it out and go from there.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Were John Q and/or Jane Doe Watchtower Society missionary to be
questioned if they believe that Jesus Christ rose from the dead, I can assure
you they would answer in the affirmative. However, what you may not know
is that they and the interviewer would not be speaking the same language as
the conversation would be talking about two very different processes that go
by the same name. In other words: you would find yourself thrown off by
semantic double speak.
The classical Christian understanding of Christ's resurrection is common
throughout the gospels; viz: Jesus Christ's dead, crucified body was restored
to life as per John 2:19-22.
"Jesus said to them: Break down this temple, and in three days I will raise it
up. Therefore the Jews said: This temple was built in forty-six years, and will
you raise it up in three days? But he was talking about the temple of his
body. When, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples called to
mind that he used to say this; and they believed the Scripture and the
saying that Jesus said."
You see, if Jesus' dead, crucified body had not been restored to life, that
entire passage would be easily proven false. But according to the
Watchtower Society's way of seeing things; Christ's dead, crucified body
didn't return to life at all; and here's why.
In Watchtower Society theology, an angel named Michael volunteered to
come to the earth to die for humanity's sins. But in order to do so; he had to
relinquish his angel existence to become a human existence seeing as how
in Society theology it is impossible for someone to exist as a spirit being and
a human being simultaneously. However, when Michael expired, he didn't go
completely out of existence. Instead, his so-called "life force" remained
intact and was transferred to a human form.
"the transferal of the life of his firstborn Son from the spirit realm to earth.
Only in this way could the child eventually born have retained identity as the
same person who had resided in heaven as the Word." (Aid to Bible
Understanding, 1971, p.920)
"He had to become a perfect man and yet not lose his continuity of life. His
life-force was not to be extinguished but would be transferred to the ovum
of the virgin girl, Mary." (Watchtower magazine, 2-15-82, p.7)
But Michael's existence as a human being was only temporary. When his
human form passed away on the cross, the Society claims that God
transferred Michael's life force back into his angel form thus restoring him to
his former spirit existence; leaving the corpse of his human existence in a
permanent state of decease.
NOTE: The Society teaches that death terminates existence; but apparently
not entirely because the Society also believes that at death, an angel's life
force was transferred to another form-- in Michael's case, from a spirit form
to an organic form; in effect, preserving a portion of Michael's existence so it
could be re-transferred later when God went about restoring Michael to his
former existence.
It could be argued that Jesus lives on in the body of an angel; but that
wouldn't be true seeing as how Jesus' life force would've been Michael's to
begin with.
The Society has to accept the obvious fact that their doctrine implies that
Jesus Christ was never really fully human, rather, he was an amalgam of
angel and human seeing as how it was the life force of an angel that kept
Jesus' human body alive. In other words: the Society's Jesus wasn't an
organic human in the normal sense, rather; he was an organic angel.
FYI: The Society maintains that Michael's crucified human form had to stay
dead so he could be an angel again. But that's not the only reason the
Society gives for keeping Michael's human remains perpetually deceased. An
additional explanation is given on page 237 of the April 15, 1963 issue of the
Watchtower magazine; where it's stated:
"If Jesus were to take his body of flesh, blood, and bones to heaven and
enjoy them there, what would this mean? It would mean that there would be
no resurrection of the dead for anybody. Why not? Because Jesus would be
taking his sacrifice off God's altar."
There is a really, really big flaw in the Society's theology; and that's
Michael's human remains. In order to confirm that his crucified human body
stayed dead, the Society is going to have produce it. A piece of evidence of
that significance can't be allowed to just slip through a crack unnoticed as if
it makes no difference. As Carl Sagan once said: "Extraordinary claims
require extraordinary evidence." Till then, we should reckon that when the
Bible speaks of Jesus Christ's resurrection, it's talking about a human corpse
rather than an angel's.
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Were John Q and/or Jane Doe Watchtower Society missionary to be
questioned if they believe that Jesus Christ rose from the dead, I can assure
you they would answer in the affirmative. However, what you may not know
is that they and the interviewer would not be speaking the same language as
the conversation would be talking about two very different processes that go
by the same name. In other words: you would find yourself thrown off by
semantic double speak.
The classical Christian understanding of Christ's resurrection is common
throughout the gospels; viz: Jesus Christ's dead, crucified body was restored
to life as per John 2:19-22.
"Jesus said to them: Break down this temple, and in three days I will raise it
up. Therefore the Jews said: This temple was built in forty-six years, and will
you raise it up in three days? But he was talking about the temple of his
body. When, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples called to
mind that he used to say this; and they believed the Scripture and the
saying that Jesus said."
You see, if Jesus' dead, crucified body had not been restored to life, that
entire passage would be easily proven false. But according to the
Watchtower Society's way of seeing things; Christ's dead, crucified body
didn't return to life at all; and here's why.
In Watchtower Society theology, an angel named Michael volunteered to
come to the earth to die for humanity's sins. But in order to do so; he had to
relinquish his angel existence to become a human existence seeing as how
in Society theology it is impossible for someone to exist as a spirit being and
a human being simultaneously. However, when Michael expired, he didn't go
completely out of existence. Instead, his so-called "life force" remained
intact and was transferred to a human form.
"the transferal of the life of his firstborn Son from the spirit realm to earth.
Only in this way could the child eventually born have retained identity as the
same person who had resided in heaven as the Word." (Aid to Bible
Understanding, 1971, p.920)
"He had to become a perfect man and yet not lose his continuity of life. His
life-force was not to be extinguished but would be transferred to the ovum
of the virgin girl, Mary." (Watchtower magazine, 2-15-82, p.7)
But Michael's existence as a human being was only temporary. When his
human form passed away on the cross, the Society claims that God
transferred Michael's life force back into his angel form thus restoring him to
his former spirit existence; leaving the corpse of his human existence in a
permanent state of decease.
NOTE: The Society teaches that death terminates existence; but apparently
not entirely because the Society also believes that at death, an angel's life
force was transferred to another form-- in Michael's case, from a spirit form
to an organic form; in effect, preserving a portion of Michael's existence so it
could be re-transferred later when God went about restoring Michael to his
former existence.
It could be argued that Jesus lives on in the body of an angel; but that
wouldn't be true seeing as how Jesus' life force would've been Michael's to
begin with.
The Society has to accept the obvious fact that their doctrine implies that
Jesus Christ was never really fully human, rather, he was an amalgam of
angel and human seeing as how it was the life force of an angel that kept
Jesus' human body alive. In other words: the Society's Jesus wasn't an
organic human in the normal sense, rather; he was an organic angel.
FYI: The Society maintains that Michael's crucified human form had to stay
dead so he could be an angel again. But that's not the only reason the
Society gives for keeping Michael's human remains perpetually deceased. An
additional explanation is given on page 237 of the April 15, 1963 issue of the
Watchtower magazine; where it's stated:
"If Jesus were to take his body of flesh, blood, and bones to heaven and
enjoy them there, what would this mean? It would mean that there would be
no resurrection of the dead for anybody. Why not? Because Jesus would be
taking his sacrifice off God's altar."
There is a really, really big flaw in the Society's theology; and that's
Michael's human remains. In order to confirm that his crucified human body
stayed dead, the Society is going to have produce it. A piece of evidence of
that significance can't be allowed to just slip through a crack unnoticed as if
it makes no difference. As Carl Sagan once said: "Extraordinary claims
require extraordinary evidence." Till then, we should reckon that when the
Bible speaks of Jesus Christ's resurrection, it's talking about a human corpse
rather than an angel's.
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JW's deny a literal Hell
JW's believe in works to gain God's favor
They have three categories in hours of doing work of ministry, they believe this work will help qualify them to be one of the chosen 144,000 that they believe will be around the throne of God
1. Publisher: logs 0-30 hrs monthly
2. Auxiliary Pioneer: logs 30-70 hrs monthly
3. Pioneers: logs 70+ hrs monthly
JW's believe in works to gain God's favor
They have three categories in hours of doing work of ministry, they believe this work will help qualify them to be one of the chosen 144,000 that they believe will be around the throne of God
1. Publisher: logs 0-30 hrs monthly
2. Auxiliary Pioneer: logs 30-70 hrs monthly
3. Pioneers: logs 70+ hrs monthly
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WHOA! Whoa!
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:16-17 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 3:16-17&version=KJV
GOD gave HIS SON, NOT an angel.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:16-17 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 3:16-17&version=KJV
GOD gave HIS SON, NOT an angel.
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Yes, according to JW belief, Jesus is the arc angel Michael 
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