Catholicism vs Protestantism

Dan_473 · Jun 16, 2020

no, it could happen.
but hearing people 50 years ago say that one world government and one world religion were just around the corner makes me very cautious of believing it now.

not until now.
I also don't see signs that religions or nations are coming together, once the influence of globalization and homogenisation are removed.

back in the 70s, the big news was the European common market.
it was going to be the foundation of a One World Government.
today it doesn't look that way to me, kind of the opposite.

yes, but one may wish to remember that we are not interpreting letter by letter.
I am involved in this world.
this world is in the power of Satan.
does this mean that I am involved in the power of Satan? no, not at all!

Dan_473 · Jun 16, 2020

Jackson123 said:

thanks for the answer!

I think it's pretty important, so take all the time you want.

Jackson123 · Jun 16, 2020

Dan_473 said:

So you believe catholic involve a movement that is may satanic, doesn't mean catholic involve in satanic movement, am I correct?

What do you mean the world in the power of Satan?
Satan don't want you to believe in Jesus, do you have a choice not to do what Satan want, and believe in Jesus?

Do Catholic have a choice not to involve this movement?

Jackson123 · Jun 17, 2020

Dan_473 said:

This man on the YouTube was Muslim. He have a problem with stroke and depress, every week must went to mental hospital for treatment, he live in Muslim family. But when his Christian friend invite him to try Jesus, he chose to say yes. God heal him and he accep Jesus. On his whataps group he chose to tell his Muslim group that Allah not able to heal him, but Jesus do.
He chose to share his God. Than a group of Muslim come to his house try to kill him. But God protect him, suddenly his phone ring. A man ask if he is Daud Ali, yes, he say that man ask to talk to group leader, he give the phone to the leader, than the leader say don't kill him, let bring to the police

This man went to jail 16 month for insulting Muslim one of his eye almost blind but doctor do surgery and may save his eye

Is a matter of choice brother

11 For unto

Bede · Jun 17, 2020

Wansvic said:

You are employing the same double standard that many Protestants use with Catholics; that Catholics have to produce scripture that explicitly states what they believe - whilst Protestants do not..

Take for example one of the 5 solas of Protestantism - Justification by faith alone. Nowhere in scripture does it say we are justified by faith alone. If a Catholic claims we are justifies by some other means they have to find an explicit Bible verse, but Protestants do not have to do likewise.

Of course if it was the other way round and Catholics claimed we are justified by faith alone they would have to provide an explicit Bible verse for that.

In your case you claim that "The Bible is the final authority on every subject" Can you provide a verse for that? Of course not, but then as a Protestant you don't have to. Just saying it is enough; but it's just your opinion.

You say " Praying to a departed human being for them to intercede on our behalf is not biblical".
I can show you that it is. Jesus taught it.
Of course you will not accept my example because it will not fit your exact criteria (which you will hastily concoct) - so no point in even trying.

God bless.

Dan_473 · Jun 17, 2020

Jackson123 said:

the words
involve
and
involvement
can mean a lot of different things.
we may wish to remember that we are not interpreting letter by letter.

I think it's like this
1 John 5:19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

of course, we are not interpreting letter-by-letter, but I think we can get the general idea.

well, I'm currently attending a Methodist Church that is part of the UMC.
people in the UMC are fighting over whether or not to ordain homosexuals.
but that doesn't mean that I am fighting too.

Dan_473 · Jun 17, 2020

Jackson123 said:

we do have the power to choose, don't we?

"He created humanity at the beginning,
and he left them to the power
of their choices."
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Sirach+15&version=CEB

at the same time

You didn’t choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you could go and produce fruit and so that your fruit could last.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+15&version=CEB

Dan_473 · Jun 17, 2020

speaking of things stated in the Bible,
ask a group of Christians if the church is the foundation of the truth.
some will probably say no, the Bible is the foundation of the truth.

"But if I should be delayed, I have written so that you will know how people ought to act in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth."
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+3&version=HCSB

make of the situation what you wish.

Jackson123 · Jun 17, 2020

Dan_473 said:

Catholic involve in one world religion movement.
You not sure if it is satanic or biblical
It may satanic, may not

If it is satanic, is that mean catholic involve in satanic movement?

Jackson123 · Jun 17, 2020

Dan_473 said:

The church of living God

Is every church te church of living God?

In the woeprld there are a lot of church, Mormon, satanic church, jehove witnes churca etc

Are they all the church of the living God?
To me, the church of the living God is the church that follow God teaching. Nd the document of God teaching is the bible.
So to say the foundation of Christian is the church of the living God = say foundation of Christian is bible.

Dan_473 · Jun 17, 2020

Jackson123 said:

well, like I said before,
the words
involve
and
involvement
can mean a lot of different things.
we may wish to remember that we are not interpreting letter by letter.

I believe that is a false dichotomy.
I think there are many things that are neither satanic nor biblical.

groups of Christians owning Church buildings, for example.

I'm sure some Catholics are influenced by Satan.
that's true of Baptists and Presbyterians as well!

Wansvic · Jun 17, 2020

Bede said:

I am not trying to be harsh. Your understanding that praying to saints and Mary in heaven is not proper according to the word. Everyone has opinions but if an understanding is not confirmed by the word a person should consider that they have been taught something that is in error.

The bible is the final authority as seen in 2 Tim. 3:16. "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

Jesus Himself said that all will be judged by the word. (John 12:48)

God's truth concerning any subject will always be confirmed/witnessed at least twice in the bible. (2 Cor 13:1, Deut. 19:15, Matt. 18:16)

The bible refutes the concept of justification by faith alone. Peter's initial message to the church included belief that Jesus was the Messiah, repentance, baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus and the need to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Many do not believe all are necessary components of salvation; however, the word speaks to this truth and confirms it over and over.

Lastly, Jesus is the only mediator between God and man:
1 Tim 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

John 14:16
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Dan_473 · Jun 17, 2020

Jackson123 said:

I'm sure you agree that there is just one Church, one body
Ephesians 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner in the Lord, beg you to walk worthily of the calling with which you were called, 2 with all lowliness and humility, with patience, bearing with one another in love; 3 being eager to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you also were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in us all.

that's probably what Paul is referring to in Timothy.

Jackson123 · Jun 17, 2020

Dan_473 said:

What is your opinion on one world religion, is that satanic or not

Dan_473 said:

How about one world religion movement, is that influence by Satan?

Jackson123 · Jun 17, 2020

Dan_473 said:

I'm sure you agree that there is just one Church, one body
Ephesians 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner in the Lord, beg you to walk worthily of the calling with which you were called, 2 with all lowliness and humility, with patience, bearing with one another in love; 3 being eager to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you also were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in us all.

that's probably what Paul is referring to in Timothy.

What do you mean by only one church?
The church of catholic only, or Mormon only or jehove witness only?

Dan_473 · Jun 17, 2020

Jackson123 said:

well, I'm sure Satan is in favor of anything other than this
James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before our God and Father is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

but I think a lot of bad ideas come from within humans, without any help from the outside.
imo, many Christians give Satan far too much credit.
James 1:14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed.

he probably has a hand in it, I don't know.
can Satan be more than one place at the same time?
can he influence more than one person at a time?

to be honest, I don't really know, and I'm not really concerned.
James 4:7 Be subject therefore to God. But resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Dan_473 · Jun 17, 2020

Jackson123 said:

well, Paul had something in mind here.

whatever he means in these passages.

I don't think he thought in terms of the church being divided up into separate groups.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all given to drink into one Spirit.

Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church.

1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beg you, brothers, through the name of our Lord, Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfected together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it has been reported to me concerning you, my brothers, by those who are from Chloe's household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I mean this, that each one of you says, "I follow Paul," "I follow Apollos," "I follow Cephas," and, "I follow Christ." 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized into the name of Paul?

Jackson123 · Jun 17, 2020

Dan_473 said:

You not answer my question, brother

Is one world religion satanic, or not?
If no why?

Dan_473 said:

Jackson

So you think Satan may has han in one world religion, why do you think he may?

You not sure if Satan able to more than one place in the same time, but are you sure Satan able to send his helper to where ever he want?

Jackson123 · Jun 17, 2020

Dan_473 said:

well, Paul had something in mind here.

whatever he means in these passages.

I don't think he thought in terms of the church being divided up into separate groups.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all given to drink into one Spirit.

Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church.

1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beg you, brothers, through the name of our Lord, Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfected together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it has been reported to me concerning you, my brothers, by those who are from Chloe's household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I mean this, that each one of you says, "I follow Paul," "I follow Apollos," "I follow Cephas," and, "I follow Christ." 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized into the name of Paul?

So you believe Mormon and catholic are one church?

Jackson123 · Jun 17, 2020

Dan_473 said:

Is that mean you believe all Church belong to Christ and must be one?

Mormon, catholic, jehova witness are belong to christ and is one church.

And if you add ccc 841, Muslim is included because together with catholic adore one and merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.

So mankind's judge on the last day is allah

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