Catholicism vs Protestantism

[Wansvic]

We ask them [the Saints in heaven] for their intercession, not for them to talk to us. We are just asking them for their prayers and help, though Christ, our one Lord.
I never suggested they "communicate with us.

This is a big problem with the Roman Catholic Church's belief system. The Saints in heaven are no different then when they were here. They are normal people. Many times throughout the bible the apostles made this clear. Any praying to Mary, really? No where is that stated in the Word of God. Tradition? Yes. Bible? No!
To ask any human being or otherwise to intercede on our behalf is a slap in the face of our Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[Bede]

"For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus," 1 Tim 2:5

Yes, I agree with that.
What is your point?

 

[Bede]

This is a big problem with the Roman Catholic Church's belief system. The Saints in heaven are no different then when they were here.

Really?
On what do you base that claim?

They are normal people. Many times throughout the bible the apostles made this clear.

Where?

Any praying to Mary, really? No where is that stated in the Word of God. Tradition? Yes. Bible? No!

You have come late into this discussion.
We've been through all that. Go back and read the posts.

To ask any human being or otherwise to intercede on our behalf is a slap in the face of our Savior Jesus Christ.

Really? Was Paul slapping the face of our Savior Jesus Christ when he asked others to pray for him? - Eph 6:19-20, Col 4:3, 1Thess 5:25, 2Thess 3:1

 

[Reformyourself]

Yes, I agree with that.
What is your point?

Douay Rheims-Revelation 19:10
And I fell down before his feet, to adore him. And he saith to me: See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren, who have the testimony of Jesus. Adore God. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy...And that’s coming from an angel!

I still have to spend time with a few catholics, they’re not willing to be healed-you’re wasting your time. Just pray that satan loses his grip 🙏😟

 

[Bede]

Douay Rheims-Revelation 19:10
And I fell down before his feet, to adore him. And he saith to me: See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren, who have the testimony of Jesus. Adore God. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy...And that’s coming from an angel!

I still have to spend time with a few catholics, they’re not willing to be healed-you’re wasting your time. Just pray that satan loses his grip 🙏😟

Just another anti-Catholic bigot.

 

[Reformyourself]

Just another anti-Catholic bigot.

Delivered anti-catholic bigot ✝️

 

[Bede]

Delivered anti-catholic bigot ✝️

Jesus said to them, “Is not this why you are wrong, that you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God? (Mk 12:24)

 

[Reformyourself]

Delivered anti-catholic bigot ✝️

Matt. 12:46-50
As HE was yet speaking to the multitudes, behold HIS mother and HIS brethren stood without, seeking to speak to HIM. And one said unto HIM: Behold THY mother and THY brethren stand without, seeking THEE. But HE answering him that told HIM, said: Who is MY mother, and who are MY brethren? And stretching forth HIS hand towards HIS disciples, HE said: Behold MY mother and MY brethren. For whosoever shall do the will of MY Father, that is in heaven, he is MY brother, and sister, and mother.

 

[Reformyourself]

Jesus said to them, “Is not this why you are wrong, that you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God? (Mk 12:24)

The power of G_D unto salvation? O but I do my genuflecting friend✝️

 

[Bede]

Matt. 12:46-50
As HE was yet speaking to the multitudes, behold HIS mother and HIS brethren stood without, seeking to speak to HIM. And one said unto HIM: Behold THY mother and THY brethren stand without, seeking THEE. But HE answering him that told HIM, said: Who is MY mother, and who are MY brethren? And stretching forth HIS hand towards HIS disciples, HE said: Behold MY mother and MY brethren. For whosoever shall do the will of MY Father, that is in heaven, he is MY brother, and sister, and mother.

So are you my brother?
Are you doing God's will by insulting me?

 

[Reformyourself]

So are you my brother?
Are you doing God's will by insulting me?

Those are Jesus’ words, not mine The image of the invisible G_d
I’m not your brother, because you are not doing the will of G_D

 

[Bede]

Those are Jesus’ words, not mine The image of the invisible G_d

Satan can quote scripture.

 

[Reformyourself]

Satan can quote scripture.

Those are Jesus words! ‘a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand’ Jesus is G_D-beware bede you are on dangerous ground (as if you weren’t before 😐)

 

[Bede]

Those are Jesus words! ‘a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand’ Jesus is G_D-beware bede you are on dangerous ground (as if you weren’t before 😐)

I stand on the rock of Peter. You are on sand.

 

[Wansvic]

We ask them [the Saints in heaven] for their intercession, not for them to talk to us. We are just asking them for their prayers and help, though Christ, our one Lord.
I never suggested they "communicate with us.

PRAYING to human beings who have died requesting their help for intercession purposes is not biblical. As I stated in another post, Jesus is the only one we are to pray to.

 

[Bede]

PRAYING to human beings who have died requesting their help for intercession purposes is not biblical. As I stated in another post, Jesus is the only one we are to pray to.

Nowhere does scripture say Jesus is the only one we are to pray to.

 

[Wansvic]

I stand on the rock of Peter. You are on sand.

Jesus is the rock:

Isa 28:16
Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation, a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

Acts 4:11-12
This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

1 Cor 10:4
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Eph 2:19-20
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;


Notice Peter's own words on the subject:

1 Peter 2:5-8
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

Jesus comment about the rock in Matthew pertained to Peter's statement that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the Living God. That was the rock that the church would be built upon:

Matt 16:16-18
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

 

[Wansvic]

Nowhere does scripture say Jesus is the only one we are to pray to.

The following scripture makes it clear that Jesus is the only mediator between God and man:

The word mediator translated from the Greek means a go-between, intercessor, etc.:
NT:3316
<END GREEK> mesites (mes-ee'-tace); from NT:3319; a go-between, i.e. (simply) an internunciator, or (by implication) a reconciler (intercessor):

"For there is one God, and ONE mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" 1 Tim 2:5

 

[Reformyourself]

I stand on the rock of Peter. You are on sand.

My hope is built on nothing less
Than Jesus' blood and righteousness
I dare not trust the sweetest frame
But wholly lean on Jesus' name
On Christ the solid Rock I stand
All other ground is sinking sand
All other ground is sinking sand
When darkness
When darkness hides His lovely face
I rest on His unchanging grace
In every high and stormy gale
My anchor holds within the veil (Yes it does)
On Christ the solid Rock I stand
All other ground is sinking sand
All other ground is sinking sand
Trust in You and only You
His oath, His covenant, His blood
Support me in the whelming flood
When all around my soul gives way (He's my hope)
He then is all my hope and stay
On Christ the solid Rock I stand
All other ground is sinking sand
All other ground is sinking sand
On Christ
On Christ the solid Rock I stand
All other ground is sinking sand
All other ground is sinking sand
When He shall come with trumpet sound
Oh, may I then in Him be found (In You, would be found in You)
Dressed in His righteousness alone
Faultless to stand before the throne
On Christ the solid Rock I stand
All other ground is sinking sand
All other ground is sinking sand
On Christ the solid Rock
On Christ the solid Rock I stand
All other ground is sinking sand
All other ground is sinking sand
Amen

 

[Jackson123]

Obviously Paul is not preaching from church to church but that does not stop him from interceding for us in heaven, just as Jesus is interceding for us.

When he was on earth Paul wrote that he imitated Christ. Why would he stop doing that when in heaven?

My brother, imitated doesn't mean able to hear billions people pray to him. Jesus able to create heaven and earth, is paul
Imitated in love, not imitated in ability.