Not By Works

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
stonesoffire

stonesoffire

Poetic Member
#140,561
Nov 24, 2013
10,665
1,829
113
#140,561
Micaiah-imla said:
Have I threatened to report anyone?

One has already mentioned a threat to report me. This shows insecurity. This is a kind of calling down a fire upon me to remove me from their presence.

I am secure in my belief and am strong in the Spirit by the grace of God. This is how I can quench the OSAS fiery darts.

I will be here as long as it is God’s will that I be here. Standing for the truth of the Bible.
Click to expand...
I never liked this phrase “one saved, always saved”. Do you have agreement with the following: we are saved, we are being saved, we will be saved. ??
 
M

Micaiah-imla

Banned
#140,563
Feb 29, 2020
1,563
571
113
#140,563
stonesoffire said:
I never liked this phrase “one saved, always saved”. Do you have agreement with the following: we are saved, we are being saved, we will be saved. ??
Click to expand...
The phrase itself, Once Saved Always Saved, is not a problem. The problem is the heretical teaching that has stolen it and gives it a bad name.

If your conscience testified to you by the word of God that you will never be lost I say AMEN! to that. That is a good thing. Just don’t go off the deep end and ignore the consequences of sin.
 
Rosemaryx

Rosemaryx

Senior Member
#140,564
May 3, 2017
3,758
4,120
113
63
#140,564
How does one get their Salvation back if they lose it?
What does one have to do to get it back?
 
Rosemaryx

Rosemaryx

Senior Member
#140,565
May 3, 2017
3,758
4,120
113
63
#140,565
Micaiah-imla said:
The phrase itself, Once Saved Always Saved, is not a problem. The problem is the heretical teaching that has stolen it and gives it a bad name.

If your conscience testified to you by the word of God that you will never be lost I say AMEN! to that. That is a good thing. Just don’t go off the deep end and ignore the consequences of sin.
Click to expand...
Hi...
How deep does one have to go before Salvation is lost?
And what kind of sin ?
 
stonesoffire

stonesoffire

Poetic Member
#140,566
Nov 24, 2013
10,665
1,829
113
#140,566
eternally-gratefull said:
I think we have quite a few books he wrote that backs this up sis :)
Click to expand...
Am not disagreeing at all EG. It’s just my thinking that we can declare what we think is truth all day long, but when presented from the Bible, it should stop all arguments.

I know Paul would not tolerate one mixing the grace of God with law for one second and called them Judiazers.

but....

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:


Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.


Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.


Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


Gal 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.


the Original sword swinger.
 
stonesoffire

stonesoffire

Poetic Member
#140,568
Nov 24, 2013
10,665
1,829
113
#140,568
Micaiah-imla said:
The phrase itself, Once Saved Always Saved, is not a problem. The problem is the heretical teaching that has stolen it and gives it a bad name.

If your conscience testified to you by the word of God that you will never be lost I say AMEN! to that. That is a good thing. Just don’t go off the deep end and ignore the consequences of sin.
Click to expand...

Which post then would you be referring to here? I must have missed it.
 
Duskey

Duskey

Banned
#140,569
May 31, 2020
1,706
1,559
113
#140,569
Micaiah-imla said:
Have I threatened to report anyone?

One has already mentioned a threat to report me. This shows insecurity. This is a kind of calling down a fire upon me to remove me from their presence.

I am secure in my belief and am strong in the Spirit by the grace of God. This is how I can quench the OSAS fiery darts.

I will be here as long as it is God’s will that I be here. Standing for the truth of the Bible.
Click to expand...
I did not equate raining fire upon you as trying to get you banned. I thought you meant they probably literally pray for fire.

As far as standing for the Truth of the Bible, Jesus Christ is Truth, and anyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
 
Rosemaryx

Rosemaryx

Senior Member
#140,570
May 3, 2017
3,758
4,120
113
63
#140,570
Micaiah-imla said:
Hebrews 10:26-27.

For starters.
Click to expand...
Now read Hebrews 10:39 where we in Christ is being addressed :)...
You do realize the author was speaking to those who were having a hard time leaving their old ways , sacrificing animals?
The author was teaching them that Christ is the last Sacrifice...
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#140,571
#140,571
Micaiah-imla said:
The phrase itself, Once Saved Always Saved, is not a problem. The problem is the heretical teaching that has stolen it and gives it a bad name.

If your conscience testified to you by the word of God that you will never be lost I say AMEN! to that. That is a good thing. Just don’t go off the deep end and ignore the consequences of sin.
Click to expand...
So you can sin yourself out of salvation?
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#140,573
#140,573
stonesoffire said:
Am not disagreeing at all EG. It’s just my thinking that we can declare what we think is truth all day long, but when presented from the Bible, it should stop all arguments.

I know Paul would not tolerate one mixing the grace of God with law for one second and called them Judiazers.

but....

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:


Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.


Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.


Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


Gal 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.


the Original sword swinger.
Click to expand...
Don’t forget he also called them fools
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#140,575
#140,575
Rosemaryx said:
Now read Hebrews 10:39 where we in Christ is being addressed :)...
You do realize the author was speaking to those who were having a hard time leaving their old ways , sacrificing animals?
The author was teaching them that Christ is the last Sacrifice...
Click to expand...
Yep. Telling them to make sure their Real faith is in grace not the law

Many people come from a religious background who teaches that their good deeds and traditions are what saves them. And come to our churches. But their true faith never left what they always believed

This is who Is being warned
 
E

EleventhHour

Guest
#140,578
#140,578
Micaiah-imla said:
An unbiased reading of the New Testament surely teaches this.
Click to expand...
It teaches no such thing

In Romans 5:20, we read, The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more.
 
E

EleventhHour

Guest
#140,579
#140,579
eternally-gratefull said:
Then you do not believe in security at all like you claimed

You should apologize to stones for making it appear you did
Click to expand...
Agree ... He absolutely denies OSAS and that Jesus atoned for all sins.

He is adamant only past sins were atoned for by Jesus.... which makes no sense since any sin he commits now he has no means by which to atone for those sins.
 
Rosemaryx

Rosemaryx

Senior Member
#140,580
May 3, 2017
3,758
4,120
113
63
#140,580
Micaiah-imla said:
This is false.

This is plainly directed at the believing saints (like you and I).
Click to expand...
Nope you are wrong , and this is one of the Scriptures that many fear because they believe as you do...

Hebrews 10:39 is for believers...
We are not like those who shrink away from the truth , and go back and be under the Law , sacrificing animals for our sins ...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.