The Purpose of Speaking in Tongues

[CS1]

There are no scriptures on falling back and laying on the floor.

Have you ever considered that the reason people are not answering you was that there are not any here that are into the falling back, slain in the Spirit, hype?

What makes you think that people who believe in the biblical gift of speaking in tongues are also going to believe in the falling back hype? You seem to think that everyone who believes in speaking in tongues believes in falling back and laying on the floor in church and that is not true at all. You thought your weird "wonderment" espousals were sure argument winners but NO ONE KNOWS what your are saying. That is why you get CRICKETS.

Yes there are people in the charismatic churches that do that. But it is not part of any teaching or doctrine concerning the gift of tongues and if you think that is what pentecostals teach you are misinformed.

In the past two years I have not seen anyone in my church fall back. There are probably some that would do it if the conditions were right for them but we do not have ushers standing behind people in expectation to catch them so that is probably why they do not do it.
When people do this in churches were there is someone there to catch them, I think they are just doing it because they are conditioned to. Maybe they think they will have a vision or something, I have no idea why they do it. I have never done it. There is no scripture for falling back and laying down when someone prays for you. I have heard people testify that they felt what they describe as the power of God come on them and they get weak in the knees and find themselves on the floor and having some trance like experience with the Lord where he speaks to them about something personal. I don't know what to say about that. I will not call them liars. I will leave it between them and God.
The spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet. Which means God does not force people in the new testament gifts. Those who prophesy can stop when someone else has a prophesy and let them have a turn. Or someone with the gift of tongues can not give it if there is no interpreter. God does not FORCE them to speak. So I do not see it as a scriptural concept for someone to say GOD FORCED me to fall on the floor. Nevertheless I am not going to call them demonized. They might just be being emotional in their pursuit of an experience with God. I would rather have a church full of hungry for God people like that than a dried up judgmental pharisee who looks down their nose at every emotional seeker of God.

If some people think the Bible will give you every response that a person does when the Power of God comes on them, well that is naive to say the lest.

What about crying, or Jumping and laughing in joy as the lame man at the gate beautiful did after being healed ? Acts 3

what about the men in the garden who came to take Jesus when HE said " I AM HE" they fall back as dead men. Flesh and blood will not stand in the presence of God. Yet many who use the showmanship that I have seen on TV is ridiculous. The Hily Spirit does not need a staged show. But having too seeing people fall as the power of God come upon them and when they get up are healed is pretty exciting and Praise worthy,

 

[garee]

I'm tired of this kind of stupidity from you. You continually misrepresent the views, practices, and experiences of others, but instead of humbling yourself and learning, you persist in your mockery.

I see no point in continuing this conversation.

Humble myself by making a senseless noise and fall backward? or believe prophecy the tongue of God?

Did you look at the foundation of the doctrine .(Isaiah28) You continually misrepresent the views, practices, and experiences of others. Have you experienced making a senseless sound and falling backward ? If not what do you base your opinions on?

 

[garee]

If some people think the Bible will give you every response that a person does when the Power of God comes on them, well that is naive to say the lest.

What about crying, or Jumping and laughing in joy as the lame man at the gate beautiful did after being healed ? Acts 3

what about the men in the garden who came to take Jesus when HE said " I AM HE" they fall back as dead men. Flesh and blood will not stand in the presence of God. Yet many who use the showmanship that I have seen on TV is ridiculous. The Hily Spirit does not need a staged show. But having too seeing people fall as the power of God come upon them and when they get up are healed is pretty exciting and Praise worthy,

Ceremonial law are not a sign to them who perform it but a sign to the world. Most from my experiences would think making a senseless noise and falling backwards is not the gospel . What good would that make . Good for nothing or good for something?

Who said the power of God is coming on them . Jesus said marvel not. Why?

Excitement . . Sense of "rouse the emotions of, emotionally agitate"

 

[CS1]

Humble myself by making a senseless noise and fall backward? or believe prophecy the tongue of God?

Did you look at the foundation of the doctrine .(Isaiah28) You continually misrepresent the views, practices, and experiences of others. Have you experienced making a senseless sound and falling backward ? If not what do you base your opinions on?

you make comments that are unloving and just mean. You don't have the ability to edify. I guess you never had prayed for a person who is overcome by emotion or pain or release. Why do you have this understanding? I will tell you You don't have freedom and liberty in the Spirit of God. You have been given centralism and legalism. You think if it is not in the word of God it can't be godly? First off you say I only follow scripture but when those of the pentecostal or charismatic follow 1cor chapter 12 to 14 and the book of Acts that has been done away with. what a false witness.

 

[CS1]

Ceremonial law are not a sign to them who perform it but a sign to the world. Most from my experiences would think making a senseless noise and falling backwards is not the gospel . What good would that make . Good for nothing or good for something?

Who said the power of God is coming on them . Jesus said marvel not. Why?

Excitement . . Sense of "rouse the emotions of, emotionally agitate"

Maybe you should read Acts 1:8 The last words of Jesus before HE ascended. And maybe if you could discern from that which you see on tv from what is praise worthy you might learn something.

 

[Scribe]

"racial slurs? I don't think so . What nationality am I?

We are to know no man after the flesh .(2 Corinthians 5;26) Some did know Christ after the flesh .The one time demonstration of Him and the Father is over .We know him no more forever. after the flesh

Jesus said in respect to the greatest miracle "born again" to "marvel not" .Marveling like wondering is not believing.
if a person insist on self edifying . Do they need more that just showing at church?

Its a evil generation of faithless men that do seek after them. No sign to wonder after is given.

Who is performing the filling up today during the Pandemic. Is it on hold?

We are getting no where. You only make sense to yourself. You do not seem to understand the scriptures about an evil generation seeking a sign and the gift of tongues and want to connect them. The evil generation seeking a sign were never given the gift of tongues. I am starting to doubt your intellectual honesty. You seem to be ready to invent any interpretation you want to suit your vitriol.

 

[biker]

The tongue of God's prophecy is the law of God. Not open to the oral traditions of men, it proves itself "self interpreting"
The Holy Spirt would never suggest hearing the voice of a stranger to all the languages of the world to include their own. .

Prophecy as it is written proves the known language by comparisons. If not spiritual understanding when the words are heard then nothing can be compared as the proper hermeneutics .

Can't compare "Saw lasaw saw lasaw Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw. Ze’er sham ze’er sham.” and compare it to Saw lasaw saw lasaw Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw. Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”

But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds to them:“Saw lasaw saw lasaw. Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw. Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured. Isaiah 28

They mock and say they will not be defeated yet the sign is clearly against adding the oral traditions making the interpretation without effect.

Mocking proves mocking. Falling backwards shows the kind of judgment to those who trust the oral traditions as song of natural unconverted mankind.

Then its child's play to say we will make our own songs and dance to the falling back slain in the spirit tune .Mocking the spirit of judgment .

Luke 7:32 They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept.

You should actually reread Isaiah 28. Maybe read it daily for a year until it sinks into your brain. Because how you are using it REVEALS you don't even know what Isaiah 28 means!

I am beginning to wonder how you read verses and interpret them. Because it's definitely not the Holy Spirit showing you these wrongful meanings. What spirit would give false interpretations?

 

[garee]

You should actually reread Isaiah 28. Maybe read it daily for a year until it sinks into your brain. Because how you are using it REVEALS you don't even know what Isaiah 28 means!

I am beginning to wonder how you read verses and interpret them. Because it's definitely not the Holy Spirit showing you these wrongful meanings. What spirit would give false interpretations?

What spirit? Not the spirit of judgment .The other spirit of unbelief, being judged.

What would I have to do to show I understand. Make a senseless sound and fall backward?

It has sunk . Have you read it at all even once.?

God warning those who mock him. He will mock them by tongue of God's prophecy spoken in many languages. God is no respecter of person.

It has nothing to do with the flesh of nations.

When those in whom the sign of judgment was shown to in Acts, they thought the disciples were drunk.

The propmised of Joel had come. No longer the Hebrew language alone. It served its temporal period.

Its that simply . Seek after prophecy the tongue of God, not self edifying wonderments

If tongues is not prophecy then what is it according to your understanding ?

God Wants to Help His People
The people say, “Who does he think he is trying to teach and explain his message to? Does he think we are babies who were at their mother’s breast only a very short time ago? He speaks to us as though we were babies:“Saw lasaw saw lasawQaw laqaw qaw laqawZe’er sham ze’er sham.” So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages to speak to these people. In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.” But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds to them:“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured.

That's not the kind of promise I would seek after . Would you?

No One Escapes God’s Judgment
You leaders in Jerusalem should listen to the Lord’s message, but now you refuse to listen to him. You have said, “We have made an agreement with death. We have a contract with death. So we will not be punished. Punishment will pass us without hurting us. We will hide behind our tricks and lies.”

Because of these things, the Lord God says, “I will put a rock—a cornerstone—in the ground in Zion. This will be a very precious stone. Everything will be built on this very important rock. Anyone who trusts in that rock will not be disappointed. Isaiah 28: 9-16 ERV

The 1Corinthian 14 :21-22 reference magnifies the foundation. We compare the spiritual understanding to the spiritual when defining "the spirit of judgement" It is used that way throughout the Bible to indicate unbelief in mankind. .

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 1Corinthian 14 :21-22

No outward sign to seek after for a believer .Signs follow the work of our new tongue, the gospel . The word of God does the lifting up we plant the seed . Marvel or wonder not not b rather believe prophecy.

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

I would ask show me one verse that shows someone casting out demon by making senseless sounds and falling backwards to top it off.

 

[notuptome]

Your version is not consistent with the descriptions in 1 Corinthians, Acts 2, or Acts 10.

In the context it is most clear that 1 Cor is not identical to Acts 1 or Acts 10.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[DWR]

I believe the Scripture tells us our duty is to go, preach the Gospel of salvation, and teach them all things.
We are to be meek and humble as we presents Jesus and not ourselves.
I have never seen the value nor the need in uttering tongues that neither I or those I am speaking with do not understand.
Neither have I seen the value of calling attention to my self as I worship. How is that being meek and humble?
It is never about me or you. If people can not see Jesus and understand every word we speak, that what is the value?

 

[Absolutely]

I believe the Scripture tells us our duty is to go, preach the Gospel of salvation, and teach them all things.
We are to be meek and humble as we presents Jesus and not ourselves.
I have never seen the value nor the need in uttering tongues that neither I or those I am speaking with do not understand.
Neither have I seen the value of calling attention to my self as I worship. How is that being meek and humble?
It is never about me or you. If people can not see Jesus and understand every word we speak, that what is the value?

The things of God are experience first,followed by confirmation and authentication of the word of God.

My experience must line up with the word.

It does!

Thank you Jesus for authenticating tongues and my awesome walk with you in power.

You are not dead.
You are risen.

You are alive.
You are still doing all you did in acts!!!!!
THANK YOU JESUS!!!!

 

[biker]

What spirit? Not the spirit of judgment .The other spirit of unbelief, being judged.

What would I have to do to show I understand. Make a senseless sound and fall backward?

It has sunk . Have you read it at all even once.?

God warning those who mock him. He will mock them by tongue of God's prophecy spoken in many languages. God is no respecter of person.

It has nothing to do with the flesh of nations.

When those in whom the sign of judgment was shown to in Acts, they thought the disciples were drunk.

The propmised of Joel had come. No longer the Hebrew language alone. It served its temporal period.

Its that simply . Seek after prophecy the tongue of God, not self edifying wonderments

If tongues is not prophecy then what is it according to your understanding ?

God Wants to Help His People
The people say, “Who does he think he is trying to teach and explain his message to? Does he think we are babies who were at their mother’s breast only a very short time ago? He speaks to us as though we were babies:“Saw lasaw saw lasawQaw laqaw qaw laqawZe’er sham ze’er sham.” So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages to speak to these people. In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.” But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds to them:“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured.

That's not the kind of promise I would seek after . Would you?

No One Escapes God’s Judgment
You leaders in Jerusalem should listen to the Lord’s message, but now you refuse to listen to him. You have said, “We have made an agreement with death. We have a contract with death. So we will not be punished. Punishment will pass us without hurting us. We will hide behind our tricks and lies.”

Because of these things, the Lord God says, “I will put a rock—a cornerstone—in the ground in Zion. This will be a very precious stone. Everything will be built on this very important rock. Anyone who trusts in that rock will not be disappointed. Isaiah 28: 9-16 ERV

The 1Corinthian 14 :21-22 reference magnifies the foundation. We compare the spiritual understanding to the spiritual when defining "the spirit of judgement" It is used that way throughout the Bible to indicate unbelief in mankind. .

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 1Corinthian 14 :21-22

No outward sign to seek after for a believer .Signs follow the work of our new tongue, the gospel . The word of God does the lifting up we plant the seed . Marvel or wonder not not b rather believe prophecy.

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

I would ask show me one verse that shows someone casting out demon by making senseless sounds and falling backwards to top it off.

Since it is YOU who are misinterpreting Isaiah 28, maybe YOU need to figure out which spirit has led YOU to use that Chapter and verses in such an ungodly matter.

 

[Absolutely]

I believe the Scripture tells us our duty is to go, preach the Gospel of salvation, and teach them all things.
We are to be meek and humble as we presents Jesus and not ourselves.
I have never seen the value nor the need in uttering tongues that neither I or those I am speaking with do not understand.
Neither have I seen the value of calling attention to my self as I worship. How is that being meek and humble?
It is never about me or you. If people can not see Jesus and understand every word we speak, that what is the value?

Where Paul says "my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful" that is the same thing as him saying "I edify myself"

The Holy Spirit was given,in part,to walk Holy.

"Walk in the spirit and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh"
Jesus said "these signs SHALL FOLLOW THEM THAT BELIEVE "

SHALL FOLLOW.

TONGUES ACCOMPANIED THE OUTPOURING.

TONGUES ,ACCORDING TO JESUS,is normal in the believers walk.
Totally available

But are you listening to the one who said it...or someone else.


IOW whobis guiding you to muddy up JESUS'S promise?????

 

[DWR]

The things of God are experience first,followed by confirmation and authentication of the word of God.

My experience must line up with the word.

It does!

Thank you Jesus for authenticating tongues and my awesome walk with you in power.

You are not dead.
You are risen.

You are alive.
You are still doing all you did in acts!!!!!
THANK YOU JESUS!!!!

Your are saying you need physical evidence, something you can see or experience in the flesh to know.
I do not. I have a spiritual awareness of the Holy Spirit's continual fellowship with my spirit.
He is always there. I need not physical evidence.

 

[DWR]

Where Paul says "my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful" that is the same thing as him saying "I edify myself"

The Holy Spirit was given,in part,to walk Holy.

"Walk in the spirit and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh"
Jesus said "these signs SHALL FOLLOW THEM THAT BELIEVE "

SHALL FOLLOW.

TONGUES ACCOMPANIED THE OUTPOURING.

TONGUES ,ACCORDING TO JESUS,is normal in the believers walk.
Totally available

But are you listening to the one who said it...or someone else.


IOW whobis guiding you to muddy up JESUS'S promise?????

I find it a little arrogant on you part to inform us what Paul said.
Why not just read what he said and believe and not give your personal interpretation what he said and meant.

 

[Absolutely]

Your are saying you need physical evidence, something you can see or experience in the flesh to know.
I do not. I have a spiritual awareness of the Holy Spirit's continual fellowship with my spirit.
He is always there. I need not physical evidence.

I am saying not only does God confirm,he actively participates in my walk.

Peter did not learn or develop walking on warter.
He saw
He heard
He asked
Jesus responded.

Jesus still talks personally

 

[DWR]

Where Paul says "my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful" that is the same thing as him saying "I edify myself"

The Holy Spirit was given,in part,to walk Holy.

"Walk in the spirit and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh"
Jesus said "these signs SHALL FOLLOW THEM THAT BELIEVE "

SHALL FOLLOW.

TONGUES ACCOMPANIED THE OUTPOURING.

TONGUES ,ACCORDING TO JESUS,is normal in the believers walk.
Totally available

But are you listening to the one who said it...or someone else.


IOW whobis guiding you to muddy up JESUS'S promise?????

Are you another one that believes that if one does not speak in tongues is not saved?
Seem that is what you are implying.

 

[Absolutely]

I find it a little arrogant on you part to inform us what Paul said.
Why not just read what he said and believe and not give your personal interpretation what he said and meant.

I experience the same thing as paul did.

Not abstract.
Part of my walk.

You can't accuse others of arrogance and chide them from a loftyness at the same time.

 

[Absolutely]

Are you another one that believes that if one does not speak in tongues is not saved?
Seem that is what you are implying.

No sir
I have no Doubt you are saved, and belong to Jesus.
I believe you are a man of God

 

[Absolutely]

Your are saying you need physical evidence, something you can see or experience in the flesh to know.
I do not. I have a spiritual awareness of the Holy Spirit's continual fellowship with my spirit.
He is always there. I need not physical evidence.

Evidence naturally follows.

Evidence is a good thing