Goal or Gateway ? Empowering of the Holy Spirit

[Reformyourself]

Reading something literally especially on an online forum is dangerous, you don't see facial expressions in the bible do you? yet if you read the bible in a literal sense then you will not grasp what is actually being said in it. The same thing goes for an online forum we have the holy spirit do we not? Are we also able even before we are saved sense a tone in apersons post?
And as for your second question as I said before it is a wake up call being used by God, believe it or not we are moving into a very powerful and prophetic time and in this time there is going to be an even greater move of the spirit.

Those who know his voice can sense it they feel it in their bones because the spirit himself speaks it to them you may not believe in the gifts and maybe you require a testimony of healing to believe it but even if one was given would you believe it? You want proof but blessed is he who believes without seeing in fact isn't faith itself believing without seeing?

‘But The Lord was not in the wind; and after the wind an earthquake, but The Lord was not in the earthquake; and after the earthquake a fire, but The Lord was not in the fire; and after the fire A Still Small Voice’. 😊

 

[wolfwint]

The resurrection is why we are use by the power of the Holy Spirit to do signs and wonders

Then where are the Sign and wonders from more then 600 000 000 believers,worldwide, which are baptised with the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues?
The media then must full of them.
You are not consider that the Apostles where choosen for an special purpose. Which we can not put 1:1 to us today? Ore do you have this power and authority which Peter and Paul had?
Do you also consider that before 1900 no believer could have this goal ore Gateway?

 

[breno785au]

You must love Bethel Church and their music.

Yet Covid-19 continue to be around, it must be the lack of faith in the church er?

If you weren't being condescending, then I admit I fail to understand the parallel between the OP and Bethel Church.

 

[CS1]

Then where are the Sign and wonders from more then 600 000 000 believers,worldwide, which are baptised with the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues?
The media then must full of them.
You are not consider that the Apostles where choosen for an special purpose. Which we can not put 1:1 to us today? Ore do you have this power and authority which Peter and Paul had?
Do you also consider that before 1900 no believer could have this goal ore Gateway?

Excuse me, you are drum beating the same old tone. maybe you are just so cold and unwilling to see the great things God is doing today. The media is also full of lies too. Do you look to the media to validate the word of God? I don't? You assume before the 1900's no one could have this goal or gateway. Because you do not understand the resurrection Power of Christ.


Acts 4:33
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

This is true today. We are to witness to the world the Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. God is still confirming His word.
He is still saving people as He did today in our service . He is still baptizing in the Holy Spirit as He did today in ourselves three people .
he is still healing, setting free , and delivering people. Why have you not seen it ? I don't know but I can assure you God is not concerned about you validating His word HE is able to do that all by Himself. Maybe you should ask CNN or MSNBC, You hold them in such high regard. They should be able to provide you with the proof you are look for. Because Nobody here is going to perform a show for you so you can believe.

A perverted and adulterous generation seek a sign. I am not in that clan maybe you are? I'm in the one Jesus said These signs follow them that Believe. Mark 16:17-20

And your limited understanding of Church history in context to the Holy Spirit down through the ages is fouled and lacking much. You were shown that many time but you are just not willing to see it. Pride , and arrogance.

 

[wolfwint]

Excuse me, you are drum beating the same old tone. maybe you are just so cold and unwilling to see the great things God is doing today. The media is also full of lies too. Do you look to the media to validate the word of God? I don't? You assume before the 1900's no one could have this goal or gateway. Because you do not understand the resurrection Power of Christ.


Acts 4:33
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

This is true today. We are to witness to the world the Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. God is still confirming His word.
He is still saving people as He did today in our service . He is still baptizing in the Holy Spirit as He did today in ourselves three people .
he is still healing, setting free , and delivering people. Why have you not seen it ? I don't know but I can assure you God is not concerned about you validating His word HE is able to do that all by Himself. Maybe you should ask CNN or MSNBC, You hold them in such high regard. They should be able to provide you with the proof you are look for. Because Nobody here is going to perform a show for you so you can believe.

A perverted and adulterous generation seek a sign. I am not in that clan maybe you are? I'm in the one Jesus said These signs follow them that Believe. Mark 16:17-20

And your limited understanding of Church history in context to the Holy Spirit down through the ages is fouled and lacking much. You were shown that many time but you are just not willing to see it. Pride , and arrogance.

This is not true. You could me not show one Single time that baptism with the Holy Spirit and as Sign speaking in tongues was practised before 1900 and also was taught in the New Testament to other believers.

 

[Blain]

This is not true. You could me not show one Single time that baptism with the Holy Spirit and as Sign speaking in tongues was practised before 1900 and also was taught in the New Testament to other believers.

Well I don't know about it being a sign as I didn't speak in tongues when I was baptized with the holy spirit but I have been in the presence of tongues, granted it was only once and the rest were fake but it is a real thin just not that common.
God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow he never changes he gave the initial gifts and they are still active

 

[Guojing]

If you weren't being condescending, then I admit I fail to understand the parallel between the OP and Bethel Church.

You aren’t aware that signs and wonders for today is an important doctrine held by bethel church?

 

[Guojing]

First off you assume I know anything about Bethel and the music they play there ? Then you suggest I have no faith because of COVID-19. Are you a special kind of Troll? Your arrogance is very telling. SO as I told you please, roll out of the thread with your hateful comments and if you have the courage give Bethel Church call and let then know you dis-like there music. Because in California at the church I attend we did not close and we are doing two services each sunday and We have many who are essential workers as I am, I thank God we have provided meals over 78000 since March 19 and still serving. That is a great testimony to the faith many are showing, what about you? I know you're all talk no action. Just like a coward.

Interesting, the saying is indeed true. You cannot control how others choose to interpret your typed words.

 

[Blain]

Interesting, the saying is indeed true. You cannot control how others choose to interpret your typed words.

The important thing is what you know to be true

 

[CS1]

This is not true. You could me not show one Single time that baptism with the Holy Spirit and as Sign speaking in tongues was practised before 1900 and also was taught in the New Testament to other believers.

Did show you, you did not agree with it because you know more than those who were eyewitness count of the events over the past 1900 years.

Irenaeus, theologian of the Holy Spirit,

180-185 AD
The Spirit descended upon Jesus at his baptism and sanctified his humanity (Adversus Haereses 3, 9, 3). The Spirit continues Christ's work in the church, which is itself a gift from the Spirit (Jaschke 1976:266-267). The expression 'Where the Church is, there is also the Spirit of God; where the Spirit of God is, there is also the Church


and all grace' (Adversus Haereses 3, 24, 1; SC 211, 474) has become crucially important in subsequent Christian tradition. Finally, and equally significant, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the sanctification of man and his transformation into the image of Christ, living in us to grant divine life to us. This very same Spirit is also the source of all charismata.

The Charismata is a greek word which is speaking of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. read 1 cor chapter 12

The empowerment of The Church as not stopped AS Jesus said it would not I'm sure you know mo
re than Irenaeus.

Tertullian

220AD

The Spirit is bestowed as a gift from the Father, through the Son (a patre per filium)5, onto the Church.

Novatian and Hilary
367AD

He emphasises the Spirit's 'personhood', but also speaks of the Spirit as a divine gift (donum), the source of all godly life.


I Clemens, Justin, Irenaeus
and many more

Revivals and movements of God have many testimonies and well documented healings by your beloved media.
WE have provided this to you in fact I can go back to older threads where it was given to you and you there did as you are now doing. you have an old attack method that has been debunked and given to you what you asked. BUT you don't accept it. so be it.

 

[Guojing]

The important thing is what you know to be true

Well we are always the protagonist in our own movie 🤣

 

[CS1]

Interesting, the saying is indeed true. You cannot control how others choose to interpret your typed words.

what a copy out. Trying to clean up spill on Isle B. IT was you who falsely accused me of being part of a group I am not. It was you who falsely accused me of no faith.

"You must love Bethel Church and their music.
Yet Covid-19 continue to be around, it must be the lack of faith in the church er?"

it was not an interpretation because I did not even mention Bethel Church, you did. They have nothing to do with my post or thread .

So please don't try to patronize me just say you were wrong and move on and out of my thread Ok. That way You can to be the kind of troll you display regularly . Trust me we will be fine without your comments and input on this thread. Go start your own I will not follow you there.

 

[Blain]

Well we are always the protagonist in our own movie 🤣

That is true I without cameras showing all the important parts of the movie and all the things you see from third person. Honestly I wish I could see my life lin third person I bet I would learn a lot about myself and but then again more often than not I would be slapping forehead saying Idiot

 

[Blue_Of_Lake]

I don't assume the other person is trying to insult me when I read their posts, unless the words they used showed that clearly. Even if they are, I will just repay evil with good as far as I can.

I see, so you believe in signs and wonders, but simultaneously, you also believe that we are to walk by faith and not by sight?

I am fine with that latter instruction from Paul. But I will argue you cannot hold on to both views at the same time.

in between the signs and the wonders, if you do not walk by faith (believing it is the right thing to do and continuing on even with no sign at that time or leading) you might fall away from God and into sin (missing the mark) and it can be hard to get back.


…37For, “In just a little while, He who is coming will come and will not delay. 38But My righteous one will live by faith; and if he shrinks back, I will take no pleasure in him.” 39But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls.…

not continuing to walk in faith destroys our walk in Christ for a time, but continuing in faith to follow God perserves the right spirit in us (at that time that we walk in faith, not in the future).


Hab. 2:4 "... but the just shall live by his faith." (NKJ)

 

[breno785au]

You aren’t aware that signs and wonders for today is an important doctrine held by bethel church?

I'm pretty aware they are not the only one that does

 

[wolfwint]

Did show you, you did not agree with it because you know more than those who were eyewitness count of the events over the past 1900 years.

Irenaeus, theologian of the Holy Spirit,

180-185 AD
The Spirit descended upon Jesus at his baptism and sanctified his humanity (Adversus Haereses 3, 9, 3). The Spirit continues Christ's work in the church, which is itself a gift from the Spirit (Jaschke 1976:266-267). The expression 'Where the Church is, there is also the Spirit of God; where the Spirit of God is, there is also the Church


and all grace' (Adversus Haereses 3, 24, 1; SC 211, 474) has become crucially important in subsequent Christian tradition. Finally, and equally significant, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the sanctification of man and his transformation into the image of Christ, living in us to grant divine life to us. This very same Spirit is also the source of all charismata.

The Charismata is a greek word which is speaking of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. read 1 cor chapter 12

The empowerment of The Church as not stopped AS Jesus said it would not I'm sure you know mo
re than Irenaeus.

Tertullian

220AD

The Spirit is bestowed as a gift from the Father, through the Son (a patre per filium)5, onto the Church.

Novatian and Hilary
367AD

He emphasises the Spirit's 'personhood', but also speaks of the Spirit as a divine gift (donum), the source of all godly life.


I Clemens, Justin, Irenaeus
and many more

Revivals and movements of God have many testimonies and well documented healings by your beloved media.
WE have provided this to you in fact I can go back to older threads where it was given to you and you there did as you are now doing. you have an old attack method that has been debunked and given to you what you asked. BUT you don't accept it. so be it.

I am not denying that the Holy Spirit is working till today. And also I got an spiritual gift since I turned to Christ.
Your examples did nothing say, that it was taught, that speaking in tongues is a proof that you are empowered with the Holy Spirit.
And this also not taught in the scripture.
If so I would believe this teaching. Creating doctrines out of what is written in the bible, can be an different to that what is taught in the bible to the believers.
You are taking verses from acts and maby John and Mix it with 1.Cor. 12-14 which Fit to it and create an doctrine which never was taught to other believers.
You are wondering that I dont believe this?
Your theme is Goal ore Gateway? Maby it has a Purpose? To show that God is the only God and he is greater then the Spirits and powers of this world. And not for to proof who has among the believers the greatest faith and superpower.
If you claim this, then you have to proof it.

 

[wolfwint]

Did show you, you did not agree with it because you know more than those who were eyewitness count of the events over the past 1900 years.

Irenaeus, theologian of the Holy Spirit,

180-185 AD
The Spirit descended upon Jesus at his baptism and sanctified his humanity (Adversus Haereses 3, 9, 3). The Spirit continues Christ's work in the church, which is itself a gift from the Spirit (Jaschke 1976:266-267). The expression 'Where the Church is, there is also the Spirit of God; where the Spirit of God is, there is also the Church


and all grace' (Adversus Haereses 3, 24, 1; SC 211, 474) has become crucially important in subsequent Christian tradition. Finally, and equally significant, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the sanctification of man and his transformation into the image of Christ, living in us to grant divine life to us. This very same Spirit is also the source of all charismata.

The Charismata is a greek word which is speaking of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. read 1 cor chapter 12

The empowerment of The Church as not stopped AS Jesus said it would not I'm sure you know mo
re than Irenaeus.

Tertullian

220AD

The Spirit is bestowed as a gift from the Father, through the Son (a patre per filium)5, onto the Church.

Novatian and Hilary
367AD

He emphasises the Spirit's 'personhood', but also speaks of the Spirit as a divine gift (donum), the source of all godly life.


I Clemens, Justin, Irenaeus
and many more

Revivals and movements of God have many testimonies and well documented healings by your beloved media.
WE have provided this to you in fact I can go back to older threads where it was given to you and you there did as you are now doing. you have an old attack method that has been debunked and given to you what you asked. BUT you don't accept it. so be it.

I know people which prayed for healing and people got healed without that this Person was " empowered" by the Spirit according your defination.
And how many of these groups where sects and cults, like the montanism from around 156- till around 500 ? Ore the irvingians, ore the Mormons?
Does God is doing miracles today is no doubt to me!! Special in Mission ministry!

 

[jackrosie]

28 yrs ago I had a vision from God....it has been in my heart for all of those yrs...never to leave because it was from God....he has revealed that I have 1 to 4 months for that vision to come to pass.
I also spoke in tongues.

God has also spoken to me through people.

Never ever limit God...do you realise how POWERFUL.our God is!

 

[Guojing]

That is true I without cameras showing all the important parts of the movie and all the things you see from third person. Honestly I wish I could see my life lin third person I bet I would learn a lot about myself and but then again more often than not I would be slapping forehead saying Idiot

If you enjoy that, then I will recommend you the book called "The Fifth agreement" by Don Miguel Ruiz, his cinema analogy would fit that perfectly.

I will just quote a brief part of it here.

Let’s use the power of our imagination to create a dream together, knowing that it’s a dream. Imagine that you are in a gigantic mall where there are hundreds of movie theaters. You look around to see what’s playing, and you notice a movie that has your name. Amazing! You go inside the theater, and it’s empty except for one person. Very quietly, trying not to interrupt, you sit behind that person, who doesn’t even notice you; all that person’s attention is on the movie.

You look at the screen, and what a big surprise! You recognize every character in the movie—your mother, your father, your brothers and sisters, your beloved, your children, your friends. Then you see the main character of the movie, and it’s you! You are the star of the movie and it’s the story of you. And that person in front of you, well, it’s also you, watching yourself act in the movie. Of course, the main character is just the way you believe you are, and so are all the secondary characters because you know the story of you. After a while, you feel a little overwhelmed by everything you just witnessed, and you decide to go to another theater.

In this theater, there is also just one person watching a movie, and she doesn’t even notice when you sit beside her. You start watching the movie, and you recognize all the characters, but now you’re a secondary character. This is the story of your mother’s life, and she is the one who is watching the movie with all her attention. Then you realize that your mother is not the same person who was in your movie. The way she projects herself is completely different in her movie. It’s the way your mother wants everyone to perceive her. You know that it’s not authentic. She’s just acting. But then you begin to realize that it’s the way she perceives herself, and it’s kind of a shock.

Then you notice that the character who has your face is not the same person who was in your movie. You say to yourself, “Ah, this isn’t me,” but now you can see how your mother perceives you, what she believes about you, and it’s far from what you believe about yourself. Then you see the other characters—your father, your siblings—the way your mother perceives them, and it’s not at all the way you perceive them.

 

[notuptome]

The resurrection is why we are use by the power of the Holy Spirit to do signs and wonders

This is wrong. We receive the Holy Spirit as a gift from God. The Holy Spirit is to comfort and encourage us as we witness and testify of Christ. The resurrection is the evidence of our hope.

God has declared that He is using the foolishness of to present the gospel not signs and wonders.

Testimonies for Christ are refined in the fires of adversity. Are we not the suffer for Christs namesake? We do not lord over sinners with mystical powers but we testify through adversity and suffering just as Christ suffered.

This thread started with a false premise and a calculated goal which is a gateway to discord.

2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

For the cause of Christ
Roger