"Not by works" - false!

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eternally-gratefull said:
He has not not heard n the fatalistic sense
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According to Calvinism , predestination and fatalism are not the same thing.
Predestination does not exclude free will
Fatalism excludes free will and gives life no meaning. I might be wrong about their definition. Please share your knowledge of it.
 
Pulie said:
Okay let's agree to disagree. I believe God has not predestined people to go to hell.
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Well, one last question please.

You say GOD loves everyone without excepton and that God is holy. How can a HOLY GOD love that which is not HOLY, that which is opposed to Him, whose father is Satan ... a God who does not lie, who states Psalm 5:5 You hate all who do evil?

Definition of holy
Holiness means not only that He is separate from all that is unclean and evil but also that He is positively pure and thus distinct from all others. The two aspects of this divine attribute place emphasis on his moral perfection and metaphysical transcendence. Both aspects imply separation from that which is morally or metaphysically inferior. To be holy is to be moral perfection (pure and righteous), and also aloof and separated.

Aside: Perhaps you have a different definition of 'holy'?
 
Micaiah-imla said:
Your judgment about me is incorrect.

I follow the scriptures; you should start doing the same.

2 Corinthians 13:11
[11] Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
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I said the requirement is perfection

Have you been perfect since birth?
 
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Pulie said:
According to Calvinism , predestination and fatalism are not the same thing.
Predestination does not exclude free will
Fatalism excludes free will and gives life no meaning. I might be wrong about their definition. Please share your knowledge of it.
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Fatalism is Calvinistic view if predestination

It is incorrect
 
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jackrosie said:
And I am being completely serious....that I don’t believe that you are born again...no offence meant.
It’s all about me,me,me,self,self self with you.
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This was not directed to Judges Fred..I have been misquoted..it was directed to Micaiah imla
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Your hope is in your power to
Continue to believe
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This is very good point and I would like to high light it. To depend upon oneself to do something is salvation by works. One must do something to continue to be saved. One must continue believing.

Definition of work: to exert oneself physically or mentally especially in sustained effort for a purpose or under compulsion or necessity
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
My answer

You will never find someone who think he has to just do this to be saved. In this case I am sure there are many things the person must do to be saved

In this case is their trust in their works

Or in the death of Christ

And it is in their works what makes them any different than the Pharisee who was always called out by Christ himself for thinking it was their works that saved them
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Your answer was difficult to read. I think you are asking whether the hypothetical guy:
TRUSTED IN HIS WORK OR IN THE DEATH OF CHRIST
I am saying the hypothetical guy TRUSTED IN HIS WORK AND IN THE DEATH OF CHRIST

As I said, the hypothetical guy was a model believer except for one belief he had to give a nickel to charity once a year to be saved.

So, is he damned or not?????
I think you are saying anyone is damned if he doesn't believe 100% of the gospel (don't make any mistakes) ... thus the question for clarification.
So, is he damned or not????? Yes or No?
 
Judges1318 said:
No offense taken. I know I'm completely and totally saved.


You'll have to get past vague cliches like this to understand the role of 'you' in salvation.
I know that the center of your misunderstanding is this matter of 'believing' and who does it for you.

Trust me, if God did your believing for you, he'd do a much better job than you or I have done at it.
God gave us the faith to believe. He provided what we needed so that we can trust him.
That's not a works gospel. Paul clearly puts 'believing/trusting' on the opposite side of the works that can not justify.
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This was posted to Micaiah Imla....I did not post that to you Judges go back and look.
 
Fastfredy0 said:
This is very good point and I would like to high light it. To depend upon oneself to do something is salvation by works. One must do something to continue to be saved. One must continue believing.

Definition of work: to exert oneself physically or mentally especially in sustained effort for a purpose or under compulsion or necessity
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There is opinion....and then there is scripture:

Colossians 1
23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.
 
Chris1975 said:
There is opinion....and then there is scripture:

Colossians 1
23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.
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And the verse before this....you know...for context...

Colossians 1
22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight—
 
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