Is YOUR church doctrinal statement ONE with SATAN?

[jaybo]

you're absolutely wrong. the word is Pascha. it means Passover. it is an Hebrew word inserted into all the Greek and all the Latin and did not begin to be substituted with a pagan dawn goddesses's name until German translations of the middle ages, during a time when all 'Jewishness' was being violently removed from Christianity.

see this thread starting with post#118 ((which should be what the link takes you to)) and moving on for the next 20 pages or so:


https://christianchat.com/threads/your-bible-translation.184792/post-3924817


@John146 you ought to be ashamed. you were active in the thread i am linking to so you have no excuse not to know this.

people need to know the truth. they don't need a false idealism, they need the truth. the truth is that the Bible was not written in English and sometimes there's just no satisfactory way to 100% render it in this foreign language.

One of the truest posts of this thread. Bravo!

 

[tourist]

two sparrows will cost you about $120 without shipping calculated.

https://thefinchfarm.com/eurasian-tree-sparrow/

If you are an Amazon Prime member shipping is free. Of course, you have already paid for the upgrade. Little holes are poked through the box so the little guys can breath. A handful of birdseed is tossed in too for dinner. Having water in the box proved to be problematic.

 

[breno785au]

what, to us is ought to be "C-note" because currently a sparrow is $50 or $60 ??
but how much does a sparrow cost 50 years from now? how much did one cost 100 years ago?

there's two choices when it comes to translating this: leave it as assarion or substitute a unit of money that only makes sense in a very narrow window of time to a very narrow group of people. KJV chose to use something that can only be described as 'a good translation' for a few years to a relatively small number of people. after that, and to anyone outside of the British commercial empire, it is not a good translation at all, much less a "perfect one even better than the Greek"

if we're going to use a currency unfamiliar to us it may as well be assarion because assarion is what Matthew wrote, what the Holy Spirit inspired. of course i'm not familiar with that money, but i can read it and immediately tell that it must mean some unit of money and from the context it must not be an extravagant amount. i don't need to be dragged into Elizabethan UK economics to understand what's being said. if i'm going to be necessarily introduced to a foreign unit of money that's not necessarily representative of today's prices and isn't even used anymore, then the "perfect" way to translate this is to leave it alone and let it say assarion like it actually says.

the alternative is update the Bible every year with a new USD or Euro or Canadian dollar amount reflecting the current market price. which i see as insane. so the "perfect" thing to do is let assarion = assarion. ergo KJ Version is not perfect. QED.

I think it's time for a modern, dynamic bible version so this verse reflects the current market volatility of bitcoin.

 

[John146]

you're absolutely wrong. the word is Pascha. it means Passover. it is an Hebrew word inserted into all the Greek and all the Latin and did not begin to be substituted with a pagan dawn goddesses's name until German translations of the middle ages, during a time when all 'Jewishness' was being violently removed from Christianity.

see this thread starting with post#118 ((which should be what the link takes you to)) and moving on for the next 20 pages or so:


https://christianchat.com/threads/your-bible-translation.184792/post-3924817


@John146 you ought to be ashamed. you were active in the thread i am linking to so you have no excuse not to know this.

people need to know the truth. they don't need a false idealism, they need the truth. the truth is that the Bible was not written in English and sometimes there's just no satisfactory way to 100% render it in this foreign language.

The word Easter was used as the Christian Passover. Christ is our Passover Lamb. It is a how we observe the Passover Lamb as believers. We do not celebrate the Old Testament Passover. We are not Jews. Though some on here think we are, not you. The word Easter does not and never has referred to some goddess.

 

[KJV1611]

seeing that a farthing wasn't a unit of money until the 13th century, there is no way that Jesus ((or any other 1st century Jew for that matter)) paid a farthing for anything.

in Matthew's text it's an assarion. kjv is wrong. it is not perfect by the same standards you guys use to judge other translations into the foreign language called English.

Do you think the lesson of that story is for us to know how much two sparrows cost?

 

[KJV1611]

That was the KJV translators going out on their own under directive of a king who appointed himself head of the church. Then oppressed everyone who refused to use his Bible.

Maybe so, we’ll both find out shortly.

 

[posthuman]

Do you think the lesson of that story is for us to know how much two sparrows cost?

do you think this word in the scripture is not important?

 

[KJV1611]

do you think this word in the scripture is not important?

I do think it’s very important but the price of sparrows isn’t the message.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Maybe so, we’ll both find out shortly.

My faith is in Jesus not some arbitrary translation.

 

[posthuman]

I do think it’s very important but the price of sparrows isn’t the message.

either it's very important or the particular words are not important 'because it's not the point of the narrative'

if it's very important what makes a foreign currency that didn't appear until 1,200 years later in history and no longer is used anywhere more perfect than the actual word in the scripture = "assarion" ?

 

[John146]

do you think this word in the scripture is not important?

The word, as the KJV defines, represents a days wage.

 

[John146]

do you think this word in the scripture is not important?

Btw brother, I have my one year PET scans this Thursday. Scans always make me nervous. I would appreciate your prayers. Thanks.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

This is a good one from the king Jimmy version. In Ezekiel, neither shall they shave their head nor suffer their locks to grow long, but they shall poll their head.
Poll their head? How do you count votes from your head and how does that apply to your hair length?
I guess you ask your hair to vote only how long is long? But my hair don't talk or write ...

 

[posthuman]

The word Easter was used as the Christian Passover. Christ is our Passover Lamb. It is a how we observe the Passover Lamb as believers. We do not celebrate the Old Testament Passover. We are not Jews. Though some on here think we are, not you. The word Easter does not and never has referred to some goddess.

please go back to that thread i linked. Eos-tare is a medieval replacement for Pascha, not a translation. Jerusalem was not experiencing the regular influx of thousands of Jews to worship Ishtar in Acts 12 any more than Christians were. if Christians were coming to Jerusalem it was because they were associating the resurrection of the Lamb of God with Pascha, not with a Teutonic vernal festival. there are pages and pages of manuscript evidence tracing the earliest adulteration of the text in that thread. it originated in high German translations, through that tradition found its way into some early Bibles, and king James's employees simply followed what had become tradition over half a century.

Christ is not the dawn lamb. He is our Paschal Lamb; salvation is of the Jews not the pagans & the kjv is clearly not 'perfect' by taking Pascha out to put Astarte in -- however anyone may not personally associate the word with its origin it is not 'better' to delete the direct association with the Exodus that God intended to be written there.

 

[posthuman]

Btw brother, I have my one year PET scans this Thursday. Scans always make me nervous. I would appreciate your prayers. Thanks.

i love scans of any kind. the technology is neat, and the concept of mapping through recording waves - essentially forms of light that the eye doesn't detect - is really cool!

i am up very early in the mornings. while you are still sleeping thursday, i will be praying for you

 

[posthuman]

through that tradition found its way into some early Bibles

**Tyndale

The word, as the KJV defines, represents a days wage.

so does assarion. my argument is that assarion is better because

1. it's the actual word
2. if a word should be substituted then
   1. it should be continually updated to be specifically culturally relevant, so farthing is out
   2. it should be substituted with something like you suggest "an average days wage for a certain class of laborer"

as far as i can reason the only arguments a person can make for the "perfection" of farthing being in the text are self-defeating. if it's perfect because it had a specific connotation to a specific people in a specific land in a specific time period, well that's not true for a lot of other people in other places at other times who speak the same umbrella-language "English" so it's not perfect for them.

 

[posthuman]

I do think it’s very important but the price of sparrows isn’t the message.

it's significant that this is a Roman currency, wouldn't you agree?

it's not a shekel or a drachma. it's an assarion. does that not mean anything?
if it means anything at all then KJV is sub-optimal.

what does it mean that He's saying sparrows are bought with Ceaser's coins? if i want to change "Rome" to "England" in the Bible, what is the argument that i should not do that?

 

[KJV1611]

either it's very important or the particular words are not important 'because it's not the point of the narrative'

if it's very important what makes a foreign currency that didn't appear until 1,200 years later in history and no longer is used anywhere more perfect than the actual word in the scripture =farthing more "assarion" ?

It’s like filling water pots of STONE with TWO OR THREE firkins of WATER. The firkins part of that verse has no meaning as far as I know but the message is in “the two or three”, the stone and water. The two or three of course representing the three languages the Bible is written in.

In the two sparrows being sold for a farthing, the message is in the TWO and the Farthing. The farthing is the price that has to be paid in order for the TWO to bet set free from the prison. And it really doesn’t matter what denominations are used as long as the denominations are the same in both verses that use farthing in the KJV.

 

[Dino246]

I just gave the most compelling reason for why the KJV is the inerrant word of God and I will bet my last paycheck that almost none of you will get it. And that's just one of thousands of examples that yall can't see.

The only thing that exceeds your closed-mindedness is your arrogance.

 

[Dino246]

I have provided evidence that the new versions contradict themselves. That’s enough. A faithful witness will not lie.

It might be enough to convince someone who is already convinced, but otherwise, it isn't.

To be known as “God’s word” every word has to be perfect, pure and without error. Does this describe the book you read?

Which is the correct term in John 3:3 and 7? "Born againe" or "born from above"? Even the KJV translators weren't sure.

And since they weren't sure, you can't be either.