The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

[John146]

Jesus isn't King of this earth yet?

Your claim is laughable, Jesus Christ created it all!

Collisions 1:16KJV
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Who has power over the kingdoms of this world? Has not God given Satan this authority for the time being?

Luke 4
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

Revelation tells us the kingdoms are given over to Jesus at His second coming.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[Truth7t7]

Who has power over the kingdoms of this world? Has not God given Satan this authority for the time being?

Luke 4
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

Revelation tells us the kingdoms are given over to Jesus at His second coming.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

"ALL POWER"!

Matthew 28:18-20KJV
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[KJV1611]

Have you initiated into the secret societies and renounced it?

Freemasonry, Odd Fellows, Knights Of Columbus, Etc

I fully agree that these "Wolves" in sheeps clothing have entered the doors of the Church.

Yes western society is largely influenced by these societies, USA largely no question.

I've never been a member of any secret society but I have studied them in detail. They're literally like animals urinating to mark their territory except they mark their territory with symbols.

There aren't really 33,000 Christian denominations in the world. That number was given by them to MARK the denominations as theirs.... the same with Baal's shaft.

 

[Truth7t7]

I've never been a member of any secret society but I have studied them in detail. They're literally like animals urinating to mark their territory except they mark their territory with symbols.

There aren't really 33,000 Christian denominations in the world. That number was given by them to MARK the denominations as theirs.... the same with Baal's shaft.

Thanks for the response, I'm have never initiated either, and I also have studied extensively, (Evil)

 

[KJV1611]

Thanks for the response, I'm have never initiated either, and I also have studied extensively, (Evil)

I don't remember why I made the intial comment about this but I think it was in response to something you said.

 

[Nehemiah6]

There aren't really 33,000 Christian denominations in the world.

Make that 33, or better yet, less than two dozen.

 

[Truth7t7]

I don't remember why I made the intial comment about this but I think it was in response to something you said.

You mentioned (Baal's Shaft) I was well aware of the meaning, AKA Washington Monument.

 

[Truth7t7]

I don't remember why I made the intial comment about this but I think it was in response to something you said.

Just a piece of info for further study?

Sir Isaac Newton was a major player in freemasonry's England early 1700's, as the "Royal Society" was the foundation of freemasonry at this time.

Newton was a polished "Occultuist" Alchemy, Kabbalah, Rosicrucian, etc

My research finds Newton invented Daniels 70 Weeks of Years claim, in his book chapter 10 "Observations upon the prophecy of Daniel and the apocalypse of St. John in 1726

The secret society evil is deeper than a steeple on a church.

 

[KJV1611]

Make that 33, or better yet, less than two dozen.

It's not LITERALLY 33,000 Christian denominations.
33,000 is a SYMBOLIC number that REPRESENTS illuminatti controlled organizations.

You know the organizations. They're the organizations that tell us the bible is full of errors and they tell us that God's chosen people are the people who killed our Lord. They're the ones that tell us how God is going to have Israel rebuild an earthly temple with animal sacrifices.

Shame on you for falling for those lies because you have been shown multiple times that it's wrong and now you've been shown that the 33,000 (not literal but symbolic of the illuminatti controlled denominations) have marked their false gospels with the number 33 and obelisks.

Edit to add: They use the number 33 to represent their earthly kingdom just like the bible uses 1000 to mark the TRUE earthly kingdom of Jesus Christ.... They get all this numerology and symbolism straight out of the King James bible. It's sad that they know what's going on but you guys don't.

 

[KJV1611]

Just a piece of info for further study?

Sir Isaac Newton was a major player in freemasonry's England early 1700's, as the "Royal Society" was the foundation of freemasonry at this time.

Newton was a polished "Occultuist" Alchemy, Kabbalah, Rosicrucian, etc

My research finds Newton invented Daniels 70 Weeks of Years claim, in his book chapter 10 "Observations upon the prophecy of Daniel and the apocalypse of St. John in 1726

The secret society evil is deeper than a steeple on a church.

I didn't know Sir Newton invented the 70 weeks of years heresy, thanks for the info!

 

[KJV1611]

@Truth7t7
I remember what prompted the comment now. Someone was accusing me of not following my fellow "believers" into heresy, calling me a lone wolf.... that's why I posted that to begin with.

 

[biker]

are you saying that you agree that up until the Protestant Reformation the truth was passed down through the succession of Bishops?

this is the larger picture, as I see it:
suppose the early church fathers thought that the book of Revelation talks mostly about future events (as opposed to current events encoded as future events).
those fathers weren't writing inspired scripture, so they could be wrong.
if a person believes that by the time of the Reformation, the Catholic Bishops had seriously drifted from the truth, when did that drift take place?
it was probably gradual, it would make sense that it began after the death of the apostles.

In Constantine's eagerness to save his neck since he was definitely a Roman Pagan idol worshipper, he forced several councils. The last of his formatted the Bible. Even with missing Books, we still have enough manuscripts that when we read can see the hypocrisy of the Catholic System. I think anyone educated passed down legit Biblical information that created separation from the Catholic regime. But in the first stages, yeah, it was Bishops because they were able to read and write and had the ability to lead and teach others.

 

[Truth7t7]

@Truth7t7
I remember what prompted the comment now. Someone was accusing me of not following my fellow "believers" into heresy, calling me a lone wolf.... that's why I posted that to begin with.

We can agree on secret societies etc?

I still believe your in error, in your denial of a future literal return of Jesus Christ in the clouds of heaven.

God hasnt shown this to you in the Holy Bible?

Come on pal

 

[KJV1611]

We can agree on secret societies etc?

I still believe your in error, in your denial of a future literal return of Jesus Christ in the clouds of heaven.

God hasnt shown this to you in the Holy Bible?

Come on pal

Right back at you lol.

 

[KJV1611]

We can agree on secret societies etc?

I still believe your in error, in your denial of a future literal return of Jesus Christ in the clouds of heaven.

God hasnt shown this to you in the Holy Bible?

Come on pal

I hope you're right and I'm wrong, I would love to get on outta here.

 

[Truth7t7]

In Constantine's eagerness to save his neck since he was definitely a Roman Pagan idol worshipper, he forced several councils. The last of his formatted the Bible. Even with missing Books, we still have enough manuscripts that when we read can see the hypocrisy of the Catholic System. I think anyone educated passed down legit Biblical information that created separation from the Catholic regime. But in the first stages, yeah, it was Bishops because they were able to read and write and had the ability to lead and teach others.

I agree with much of your historical research keep it going!

In 325AD Constantine called the 1st Council of Nicea, 1,800 bishops in the Empire were invited, all expenses paid. Only 270-300 bishops showed for the event, this clearly tells the world Constantine wasn't accepted by the Church, the bishops knew well he was a pagan that supported Arianism.

Constantine donated the land (Vatican City) and built Roman Catholoicism's St. Peter's Basilica creating the (State Church)

Wikipedia: First Council Of Nicea

Attendees

Constantine had invited all 1,800 bishops of the Christian church within the Roman Empire (about 1,000 in the east and 800 in the west), but a smaller and unknown number attended. Eusebius of Caesarea counted more than 250,[20] Athanasius of Alexandria counted 318,[10] and Eustathius of Antioch estimated "about 270"[21] (all three were present at the council). Later, Socrates Scholasticus recorded more than 300,[22] and Evagrius,[23] Hilary of Poitiers,[24] Jerome,[25] Dionysius Exiguus,[26] and Rufinus[27] recorded 318. This number 318 is preserved in the liturgies of the Eastern Orthodox Church[28] and the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria.[citation needed]
Delegates came from every region of the Roman Empire, including Britain, and from the Christian churches extant within the Sassanid Empire.[29] The participating bishops were given free travel to and from their episcopal sees to the council, as well as lodging.

 

[Dan_473]

In Constantine's eagerness to save his neck since he was definitely a Roman Pagan idol worshipper, he forced several councils. The last of his formatted the Bible. Even with missing Books, we still have enough manuscripts that when we read can see the hypocrisy of the Catholic System. I think anyone educated passed down legit Biblical information that created separation from the Catholic regime. But in the first stages, yeah, it was Bishops because they were able to read and write and had the ability to lead and teach others.

so it sounds like the drift began early.

so if irenaeus said that the book of Revelation was mostly prophecy about future events, that wouldn't necessarily be conclusive, it sounds like.

 

[biker]

so it sounds like the drift began early.

so if irenaeus said that the book of Revelation was mostly prophecy about future events, that wouldn't necessarily be conclusive, it sounds like.

He (Irenaeus) also said, John knew the Name and Number of the Beast but confirmed it was not time to reveal that information. And here we are 1,900 years later trying to apply the Number and the Name to what we think the coming Beast will be.

 

[biker]

I agree with much of your historical research keep it going!

In 325AD Constantine called the 1st Council of Nicea, 1,800 bishops in the Empire were invited, all expenses paid. Only 270-300 bishops showed for the event, this clearly tells the world Constantine wasn't accepted by the Church, the bishops knew well he was a pagan that supported Arianism.

Constantine donated the land (Vatican City) and built Roman Catholoicism's St. Peter's Basilica creating the (State Church)

The Church Historians told it like it actually happened. What a great benefit to us.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Please see Ezekiel 43:

10 “Son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the pattern. 11 And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple and its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, its entire design and all its ordinances, all its forms and all its laws. Write it down in their sight, so that they may keep its whole design and all its ordinances, and perform them.

This was a hypothetical temple. The people did not repent and did not receive this temple. Instead, they got the second temple once they returned from captivity in Babylon. As for Rev 21, is God dwelling with His church now?

If that is the case (that the people did not repent and that this was a "hypothetical temple"), then why did Ezekiel make known the design of the temple?

The verse you highlighted states:

11 And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple and its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, its entire design and all its ordinances, all its forms and all its laws. Write it down in their sight, so that they may keep its whole design and all its ordinances, and perform them.


Since Ezekiel did, in fact, make known the design of the temple and its arrangements, its exits and its entrances, its entire design and all its ordinances, all its forms and all its laws, then they must have been ashamed.

Otherwise, Ezekiel would not have made known all the things he made known concerning the temple.

As for Rev 21, is God dwelling with His church now?

Not the same as will occur in the future:

1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.