The Purpose of Speaking in Tongues
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There might have been but I doubt they will be intermingling with the Jews at Pentecost. Anyway, plenty of verses in Acts 2 explicitly stated that it was all Jews, not just verse 22.
Acts 2:5 was another verse.
5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.
All the languages you hear from the tongues in acts 2, the testimony came from Jews from every nation, not Gentiles.
Acts 2:5 was another verse.
5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.
All the languages you hear from the tongues in acts 2, the testimony came from Jews from every nation, not Gentiles.
Yes! but again, this is considered part of the prophetic gift, and not the personal gift of tongues.
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Oh, and by the way, this form of speaking in tongues is not the personal gift that uplifts the Christian, it is actually considered prophetic, because it is directed to the whole church for uplifting. That it is presented in tongues, is just its presentation. WHAT?! Why doesn't God just have the person spit it out in English?
I don't know! I don't know the mind of God nor can I ever accurately predict the movements of the Holy Spirit and the way He chooses to work with people at any given time. I know this bothers people, because they'd like to have God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit all pigeon holed, and predictable, but they're not! And, they don't live by my rules either!
But have I seen it? YES, and it definitely produced fruit.
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Oh, and by the way, this form of speaking in tongues is not the personal gift that uplifts the Christian, it is actually considered prophetic, because it is directed to the whole church for uplifting. That it is presented in tongues, is just its presentation. WHAT?! Why doesn't God just have the person spit it out in English?
I don't know! I don't know the mind of God nor can I ever accurately predict the movements of the Holy Spirit and the way He chooses to work with people at any given time. I know this bothers people, because they'd like to have God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit all pigeon holed, and predictable, but they're not! And, they don't live by my rules either!
But have I seen it? YES, and it definitely produced fruit.it is said in Acts 2:8-11
And how is it that we hear, each in our own [c]language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and [d]Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.”
God was speaking to the nations on this day
And how is it that we hear, each in our own [c]language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and [d]Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.”
God was speaking to the nations on this day
Yes, but as I have already stated, these testimonies came from, in verse 5,
5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken.
These testimonies did not come from Gentiles, they came from Jews who were far off, as was stated by Peter in vs39.
These were Jews who do not reside in Jerusalem, but they made a trip back for an important JEWISH festival, which is Pentecost.
5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken.
These testimonies did not come from Gentiles, they came from Jews who were far off, as was stated by Peter in vs39.
These were Jews who do not reside in Jerusalem, but they made a trip back for an important JEWISH festival, which is Pentecost.
yes but the message was not only to the Jewish it started as Jesus said in Acts 1:8 witness
"witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”"
To the Jews first but then to the gentiles. Peter quoted that from Joel. Not only jews heard this message on the day of pentecost.
"witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”"
To the Jews first but then to the gentiles. Peter quoted that from Joel. Not only jews heard this message on the day of pentecost.
1COR 12:4-11
4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord.
6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.
7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.
8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit,
9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit,
10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b]
11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
Yes, all gifts ultimately benefit the entire body of Christ, and will bear fruit in the furtherance of the gospel; however, God also gives the Christian a personal gift of speaking in tongues for his/her own self edification. It is as if the Christian is given the ability to speak with their own spirit directly to God in utterances too delicate for the formation of civilized words. --- Okay, so before I'm barraged with a number of responses...
ROMANS 8:26
And the Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness. For example, we don’t know what God wants us to pray for. But the Holy Spirit prays for us with groanings that cannot be expressed in words
4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord.
6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.
7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.
8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit,
9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit,
10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b]
11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
Yes, all gifts ultimately benefit the entire body of Christ, and will bear fruit in the furtherance of the gospel; however, God also gives the Christian a personal gift of speaking in tongues for his/her own self edification. It is as if the Christian is given the ability to speak with their own spirit directly to God in utterances too delicate for the formation of civilized words. --- Okay, so before I'm barraged with a number of responses...
ROMANS 8:26
And the Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness. For example, we don’t know what God wants us to pray for. But the Holy Spirit prays for us with groanings that cannot be expressed in words
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Yes, they must get Jerusalem saved first, before moving on to other nations. That order was spelt out in the Luke's version of the great commission.
46 and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47 and that repentance for[a] the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 4
Peter knew about this order in Acts 3
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
That was why Peter correct to only addressed the Men of Israel in Acts 2. The gentiles were not to be involved until the nation Israel repented and accept Jesus as their Messiah first. It was all in the prophetic timetable given in the OT, the clearest being stated in Zechariah 8.
That was also why Peter was legitimately confused to find himself in the house of Cornelius in Acts 10, and those with him were astonished to find God saving Gentiles, when national Israel had not repented yet.
45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in tongues[b] and praising God.
46 and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47 and that repentance for[a] the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 4
Peter knew about this order in Acts 3
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
That was why Peter correct to only addressed the Men of Israel in Acts 2. The gentiles were not to be involved until the nation Israel repented and accept Jesus as their Messiah first. It was all in the prophetic timetable given in the OT, the clearest being stated in Zechariah 8.
That was also why Peter was legitimately confused to find himself in the house of Cornelius in Acts 10, and those with him were astonished to find God saving Gentiles, when national Israel had not repented yet.
45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in tongues[b] and praising God.
Because of the nature and importance of what is discussed here (and the need to save space for readability) sometimes we state just the points of interest (or contention) without the niceties of conversation. It takes a while to recognize the difference between a post that is lacking diplomacy versus one that is actually spiteful and/or malicious.
Or to put it another way, it helps to grow a thick skin so we don't get angry too soon.
BTW, welcome to the BDF and I'm glad to see you here.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Or to put it another way, it helps to grow a thick skin so we don't get angry too soon.
BTW, welcome to the BDF and I'm glad to see you here.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
YEP, but it does not negate the promise of the gift to all who God would call. Just like how the bible is filled with promises to all believers today. I believe that you are desperately wanting to stand your ground. And, as I've said before, you can believe as you wish. Ask God for His Logos and Rhema....BUT, please also consider that I see no where in the bible scriptures that exclude believers in God from receiving gifts from God because they aren't Jewish, on the contrary, if they are children of God, Jews or the adopted, they can equally partake of the promises. SUCH IS THE GOODNESS OF GOD! AMEN!
Because of the nature and importance of what is discussed here (and the need to save space for readability) sometimes we state just the points of interest (or contention) without the niceties of conversation. It takes a while to recognize the difference between a post that is lacking diplomacy versus one that is actually spiteful and/or malicious.
Or to put it another way, it helps to grow a thick skin so we don't get angry too soon.
BTW, welcome to the BDF and I'm glad to see you here.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Or to put it another way, it helps to grow a thick skin so we don't get angry too soon.
BTW, welcome to the BDF and I'm glad to see you here.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
It is not the loudest voice nor the Christian who has a heavier thumb to thump his bible with that I would ever be impressed with. It is not by shear will nor expression of the most plausible, intellectual argument that would sway me, but the true love of Christ (not the patronizing false love) that would make me feel a kinship with another Christian.
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I already did.
God told me to go to the apostle he raised for me, Paul, who taught me to rightly divide the word of truth in 2 timothy 2:15
That is how God will approve of my studying of his word.
God told me to go to the apostle he raised for me, Paul, who taught me to rightly divide the word of truth in 2 timothy 2:15
That is how God will approve of my studying of his word.
James 4:1–3: “What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you? You desire but do not have, so you kill. You covet but you cannot get what you want, so you quarrel and fight. You do not have because you do not ask God.
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Its okay, we can agree to disagree here, no problem.
We are just hear to share our viewpoints, no one is desperate for anything.
That was why I told Kelby that using Acts to form church doctrine for us now is hugely problematic. You are ignoring Paul's instructions in 2 Tim 2:15 by doing so.
We are just hear to share our viewpoints, no one is desperate for anything.
That was why I told Kelby that using Acts to form church doctrine for us now is hugely problematic. You are ignoring Paul's instructions in 2 Tim 2:15 by doing so.
THIS IS TO ALL:
Respectfully, we can surmise, discuss, refute, reject or accept...all good for pondering the will of God, but ultimately, it is not left to our decisions or intellect, but to the will of God.
Just for extra information, it is has been speculated that there were actually more than one type of tongues recorded in scripture. The first to appear at Pentecost, to aid the furtherance of the gospel to Jews who spoke different languages, the second to edify the spirit of the Christian, and finally, the third that was for ministry. WHAT?! BUT, BUT, BUT....HOW?! if others cannot understand?! Well, that's another story...Have I seen and experienced it? Yes! Is it real or just gobbly gock? It's real...
Again, we can go round and round about this...and I'm speaking to every post from everyone on this forum...because I've noticed that everyone seems so quick to challenge each other's beliefs, some even seem aggressive and hostile, but they never seem to question or challenge themselves. Hey, I don't mean to step on toes here, but seriously, as a newcomer, and someone who has been a Christian for over 43 years and has heard all of these tiresome arguments, or rather "discussions that claim righteous authority", it is well, quite futile.
You must decide what is most important to you, in your Christian walk, what do you need? What do you need to build yourself up to then put into the building of the kingdom of God and for the furtherance of his word?
That is why we participate in Internet discussions correct?
One good thing about engaging with strangers over the Internet is this, you get to interact with people with very different views of life. Often the friends you meet in your daily life either think very much the same as you, for example church friends, or are unwilling to engage you in any deep intellectual topics. Furthermore, because you know one another in real life, the conversation is often very polite and you won’t really know what the other person really thinks.
But on the Internet, you solve both problems. First, you get to engage with people who think very differently from you. Second, because you will not meet each other in real life, you often get very frank opinions being shared.
There is a flip side to that second point of course, when you know for sure you will never meet them in real life, its much easier for some of them to start insulting you and making other personal remarks while debating, that is unfortunate but is something that is beyond your control.
What is under your control is your own response and I can see the silver lining behind it, it teaches you not to repay like for like, but rather, trains you to truly understand that, you can only control your response to whatever life throws at you.
But the good thing of course, is that only with debating others, that you have an incentive to understand more the other party’s view of the issue, and whether or not you agree with them in the end, your knowledge base expands.
One good thing about engaging with strangers over the Internet is this, you get to interact with people with very different views of life. Often the friends you meet in your daily life either think very much the same as you, for example church friends, or are unwilling to engage you in any deep intellectual topics. Furthermore, because you know one another in real life, the conversation is often very polite and you won’t really know what the other person really thinks.
But on the Internet, you solve both problems. First, you get to engage with people who think very differently from you. Second, because you will not meet each other in real life, you often get very frank opinions being shared.
There is a flip side to that second point of course, when you know for sure you will never meet them in real life, its much easier for some of them to start insulting you and making other personal remarks while debating, that is unfortunate but is something that is beyond your control.
What is under your control is your own response and I can see the silver lining behind it, it teaches you not to repay like for like, but rather, trains you to truly understand that, you can only control your response to whatever life throws at you.
But the good thing of course, is that only with debating others, that you have an incentive to understand more the other party’s view of the issue, and whether or not you agree with them in the end, your knowledge base expands.
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Yes, but the way you wrote it, it seemed a bit spooky. It sounded like you are praying to Paul. I hope not.
So, Peter was sent to the Jews...does this mean that you exclude his ministry and example? You only follow Paul?
1 Cor 1:12
12Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.” 13Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
Good night, and God Bless! I hope you resolve everything. GOOD BYE EVERYONE, THIS HAS BEEN, WELL, UM, DIFFERENT AND STRANGE.