Girlfriend and girlfriend..

[JimM1228]

Actually, that's a misinterpretation/translation of scripture. NO WHERE does it say that all sins are AS BAD as others. It DOES say that God sees ALL sins, and that THINKING about sinning is sinning, but it never says that THINKING about killing someone is the SAME as killing someone. And even though I don't believe homosexuality to be a sin at all, if it was, no, it's no where near killing someone. For one, it's not in the 10 Commandments, as long as they're not cheating on a previous spouse.

All and every sin is punishable by death

Ezekiel 18:4 The soul who sins shall die.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death

therefore saying if by Gods law and word is considered a sin, the same outcome will happen without repentance. i dont know if youre trying to start this individualistic movement of "be yourself" and "make the bible what you want it to be" but i urge you brother to continue to talk amongst others and LISTEN. you seem to read our responses with a preconceived mentality and ready for defense and you always use sarcasm. where is the Love? James 1:19 My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry,

 

[Stuey]

James 1 - 19:25 -

19 My dear brothers and sisters, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, 20 because human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires. 21 Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you. 22 Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. 23 Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror 24 and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. 25 But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed in what they do.



2 Timothy 3:14-17


But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.









Therefore - put yourself under the word of god, rather than above it. Submit to god because he is god and you are not. God made Jesus rise from the dead and has planned out the history and future of the entire world. I think that he is more than able to make his scripture relevant throughout the entire 2000 years since Jesus' death to now.

 

[FSUBoy966]

All and every sin is punishable by death
Ezekiel 18:4 The soul who sins shall die.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death

therefore saying if by Gods law and word is considered a sin, the same outcome will happen without repentance. i dont know if youre trying to start this individualistic movement of "be yourself" and "make the bible what you want it to be" but i urge you brother to continue to talk amongst others and LISTEN. you seem to read our responses with a preconceived mentality and ready for defense and you always use sarcasm. where is the Love? James 1:19 My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry,

If you see sarcasm in my response whatsoever, you're reading WAY too much into that. There isn't one ounce of sarcasm, that was all truth.
And I am myself. No matter what. I'm not gay and I'm never gonna be gay. But not b/c it's "a sin." B/c I was born straight. Just like my brother was born gay. And I support him and love him no matter what. I know in my heart that God doesn't care either way. Some people just spend too much time worrying who someone is sleeping with to actually fix REAL problems in the world (poverty, starving children, genocide, war.) But they continue to verbally assault people who only want to love the person they fell in love with. How do you NOT see that it is heartless and evil to tell someone "oh you don't actually love her, you're a woman, you CAN'T love her." That's disgusting.

 

[juliet84]

B/c I was born straight. Just like my brother was born gay. And I support him and love him no matter what. I know in my heart that God doesn't care either way.

Where did you get this idea that he was born gay? Do you know that scripture doesnt support this? There is always a choice. God gives us free will although most of us tend to make wrong decisions in our life. Have you read Leviticus 18-20? Go study that. If you love your brother like you claim you do,you wouldnt want him to continue to sin. Remember that God commanded mankind to be fruitful and multiply. It's in the scripture. Does being gay help towards this? You know the answer.

 

[FSUBoy966]

Where did you get this idea that he was born gay? Do you know that scripture doesnt support this? There is always a choice. God gives us free will although most of us tend to make wrong decisions in our life. Have you read Leviticus 18-20? Go study that. If you love your brother like you claim you do,you wouldnt want him to continue to sin. Remember that God commanded mankind to be fruitful and multiply. It's in the scripture. Does being gay help towards this? You know the answer.

Clearly you've never realized that the English translations of Leviticus are, at best, HORRIBLY translated. Along with a good majority of passages about sexual morality. It's been said, and supported by translators, that the original text wasn't at all even referencing consensual adult homosexual relationships.

And no, there isn't a choice. The only choice he has is to actually BE with the man he loves, or pretend to be straight to make people like you happy. Clearly he chose the better path.

 

[Stuey]

If you see sarcasm in my response whatsoever, you're reading WAY too much into that. There isn't one ounce of sarcasm, that was all truth.
And I am myself. No matter what. I'm not gay and I'm never gonna be gay. But not b/c it's "a sin." B/c I was born straight. Just like my brother was born gay. And I support him and love him no matter what. I know in my heart that God doesn't care either way. Some people just spend too much time worrying who someone is sleeping with to actually fix REAL problems in the world (poverty, starving children, genocide, war.) But they continue to verbally assault people who only want to love the person they fell in love with. How do you NOT see that it is heartless and evil to tell someone "oh you don't actually love her, you're a woman, you CAN'T love her." That's disgusting.

I have a few questions.

If a person is born gay, is it a sin?

If a person is born with a body that desires to sleep with every girl he meets, is it a sin?

We are all born with a sinful heart - yet we do have the choice as to whether to act on those urges. Through prayer god can change our hearts, change our desires, I understand that this issue is pretty close to your heart... yet Jesus does say that we must love him above our own family. I am not saying you should not love your brother - on the contrary you should show him all the love you can. However, the bible is clear on this issue... it is sinful, and like if any couple was engaging in premarital sex, as a christian, we have to view it as sin. Rather than simply accepting the world's view of these issues and going 'oh as long as they aren't harming anyone.'

Cheers,

Stuey

 

[juliet84]

Clearly you've never realized that the English translations of Leviticus are, at best, HORRIBLY translated. Along with a good majority of passages about sexual morality. It's been said, and supported by translators, that the original text wasn't at all even referencing consensual adult homosexual relationships.

And no, there isn't a choice. The only choice he has is to actually BE with the man he loves, or pretend to be straight to make people like you happy. Clearly he chose the better path.

My dear friend, tell me, what do these scriptures mean:

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22).

"There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel" (Deuteronomy 23:17).

You said there isnt a choice. You are mistaken. I have researched this for you. Read it.

Twin Studies
‘Twins potentially provide us with one of the most powerful techniques available for separating the influences of genetic and environmental factors on psychological and behavioural traits. An identical (monozygotic) twin has exactly the same genes as his co twin. Fraternal (dizygotic) twins, on the other hand, are no more closely related genetically than are normal siblings, i.e. roughly 50% of their genes are the same.’
Essentially, in monozygotic twin cases, if one is homosexual, than the other must be. This is because the genetic makeup of both twins is exactly the same.
Now what have we seen in many twin studies? In monozygotic twins, although they share the same genetic makeup, many (about 50% or more) are not partaking in a homosexual lifestyle, even though their co twin is!
If it was a genetic proclivity, both will definitely be undertaking in a homosexual lifestyle, or at least have homosexual tendencies, but this is not the case, as many studies reveal.

Source: Twin Studies of Homosexuality

I was once gay, but I managed to change my lifestyle/sexuality because of certain reasons. These are all evidence that there is always a choice. Are you going to go against these facts and especially against Scriptures?

 

[juliet84]

i mean i was a lesbian lol sorry gahhh

 

[Gerald]

FSUBoy966

B/c I was born straight. Just like my brother was born gay. And I support him and love him no matter what. I know in my heart that God doesn't care either way.

I was born sinner so, no one taught me to lie and there was me lying since a very early age, no one taught me how to disrespect my parents but that''s what I did so many times!
Maybe I had some natural inclination to sin but from the moment I met Jesus and was regenerated on, I could fight against my sinful nature and I hope your brother to have a supernatural experience with Jesus too!

 

[jimmydiggs]

Clearly you've never realized that the English translations of Leviticus are, at best, HORRIBLY translated. Along with a good majority of passages about sexual morality. It's been said, and supported by translators, that the original text wasn't at all even referencing consensual adult homosexual relationships.

Says who?

And no, there isn't a choice. The only choice he has is to actually BE with the man he loves, or pretend to be straight to make people like you happy. Clearly he chose the better path.

Says who?

 

[jimmydiggs]

And I support him and love him no matter what. I know in my heart that God doesn't care either way.

Hypothetically speaking. If God spoke to you tomorrow in person (whatever that would look like) and said homosexuality was a sin, and your brother needed to repent, and that you were to deliver the message. Who would you chose? God, or your brother's feelings?

 

[Spiritual_Plague]

My dear friend, tell me, what do these scriptures mean:

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22).

"There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel" (Deuteronomy 23:17).

You said there isnt a choice. You are mistaken. I have researched this for you. Read it.

Twin Studies
‘Twins potentially provide us with one of the most powerful techniques available for separating the influences of genetic and environmental factors on psychological and behavioural traits. An identical (monozygotic) twin has exactly the same genes as his co twin. Fraternal (dizygotic) twins, on the other hand, are no more closely related genetically than are normal siblings, i.e. roughly 50% of their genes are the same.’
Essentially, in monozygotic twin cases, if one is homosexual, than the other must be. This is because the genetic makeup of both twins is exactly the same.
Now what have we seen in many twin studies? In monozygotic twins, although they share the same genetic makeup, many (about 50% or more) are not partaking in a homosexual lifestyle, even though their co twin is!
If it was a genetic proclivity, both will definitely be undertaking in a homosexual lifestyle, or at least have homosexual tendencies, but this is not the case, as many studies reveal.

Source: Twin Studies of Homosexuality

I was once gay, but I managed to change my lifestyle/sexuality because of certain reasons. These are all evidence that there is always a choice. Are you going to go against these facts and especially against Scriptures?

That's awesome, Juliet!

You are living proof of the transforming power of Jesus Christ. No one can argue against your witness and the scriptures . Born again...out of the old life, and into the new life that allows you to live in the rightesouness of Jesus.

 

[FSUBoy966]

Hypothetically speaking. If God spoke to you tomorrow in person (whatever that would look like) and said homosexuality was a sin, and your brother needed to repent, and that you were to deliver the message. Who would you chose? God, or your brother's feelings?

God of course, but I'd still respect my brother's lifestyle if he so chooses to not "repent." (That hypothetical question is flawed b/c it assumes that gays are born straight.)

But until I have an insta-vision of the Lord telling me this, you're outta luck, kid.

 

[Stuey]

God of course, but I'd still respect my brother's lifestyle if he so chooses to not "repent." (That hypothetical question is flawed b/c it assumes that gays are born straight.)

But until I have an insta-vision of the Lord telling me this, you're outta luck, kid.

Please have another read through the posts I made.

Also, one of my friends said something to someone we were talking to once, you can love someone, but that doesn't mean you have to have sex with them.

People seem to argue for homosexuality and premarital sex based on the assumption that love equals sex, I I don't, however, see that this is the case.

 

[juliet84]

That's awesome, Juliet!

You are living proof of the transforming power of Jesus Christ. No one can argue against your witness and the scriptures . Born again...out of the old life, and into the new life that allows you to live in the rightesouness of Jesus.

Amen,..thank you Preston

 

[juliet84]

God of course, but I'd still respect my brother's lifestyle if he so chooses to not "repent." (That hypothetical question is flawed b/c it assumes that gays are born straight.)

But until I have an insta-vision of the Lord telling me this, you're outta luck, kid.

Please respond to my prevous post. Tell me the meaning of those Scriptures and your response on the research on the Twin Case on Homosexuality.

 

[FSUBoy966]

My dear friend, tell me, what do these scriptures mean:

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22).

"There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel" (Deuteronomy 23:17).

You said there isnt a choice. You are mistaken. I have researched this for you. Read it.

Twin Studies
‘Twins potentially provide us with one of the most powerful techniques available for separating the influences of genetic and environmental factors on psychological and behavioural traits. An identical (monozygotic) twin has exactly the same genes as his co twin. Fraternal (dizygotic) twins, on the other hand, are no more closely related genetically than are normal siblings, i.e. roughly 50% of their genes are the same.’
Essentially, in monozygotic twin cases, if one is homosexual, than the other must be. This is because the genetic makeup of both twins is exactly the same.
Now what have we seen in many twin studies? In monozygotic twins, although they share the same genetic makeup, many (about 50% or more) are not partaking in a homosexual lifestyle, even though their co twin is!
If it was a genetic proclivity, both will definitely be undertaking in a homosexual lifestyle, or at least have homosexual tendencies, but this is not the case, as many studies reveal.

Source: Twin Studies of Homosexuality

I was once gay, but I managed to change my lifestyle/sexuality because of certain reasons. These are all evidence that there is always a choice. Are you going to go against these facts and especially against Scriptures?

I've already talked about why the translations of Leviticus aren't substantial for this conversation, I won't do it again.
The word "sodomite" (or any similar translation) didn't exist in the ancient Hebrew language, that was translated incorrectly LONG after it was written.

I also said that it's not 100% genetic. It's a mix of genetic, psychological and nurture. There are people who grow up in households that are conversation Christian that would BEAT the child if they were gay, and they are still gay. That isn't nurture clearly, so explain that. Twins are physically identical, but not at all mentally, even in their brain structures, functions, likes, dislikes, etc. Saying your twin study is a reason why gays aren't "natural" is illegitimate.

 

[living4Him93]

i didn't read the whole thread, and i'm probably not going to but i wanted to put this out there:

to the people that think that God's main concern is that you are happy in this life, i believe you are gravely mistaken. God's main concern is your holiness, your devotion to Him. if you do keep yourself holy by committing your heart to Jesus, rejecting the desires of your flesh, confessing when you fall short, and following God's Word (the Bible) you will be happy for ETERNITY. when you die you will be welcomed into God's Kingdom and be in direct fellowship with the Creator God. it will be better than we can ever imagine. i'm not saying that you can't be happy in this life, and God wants that, but it is not His main concern. why would God want you to be unholy but happy for 60-99 years when you could be holy, maybe not overjoyed all the time and fighting against your flesh for 60-99 years and then be happy for eternity with Him? He loves you, He wants to be with you forever, and that isn't possible unless you repent (which means asking for forgiveness and making a 180 degree turn around) and commit your heart to Him.

may God bless you and may your joy be found in Him!

 

[jimmydiggs]

God of course, but I'd still respect my brother's lifestyle if he so chooses to not "repent." (That hypothetical question is flawed b/c it assumes that gays are born straight.)

But until I have an insta-vision of the Lord telling me this, you're outta luck, kid.

Repentence is turning away from sin. It doesn't matter whether a person is born gay, straight, or an eight-legged serial killler.

What if God came to you this very moment that you are reading this post, and commanded you to stone your brother to death (think OT)?

 

[wolfywolfs]

Repentence is turning away from sin. It doesn't matter whether a person is born gay, straight, or an eight-legged serial killler.

What if God came to you this very moment that you are reading this post, and commanded you to stone your brother to death (think OT)?

i thought you say god doesnt follow the old testiment so why would he say that