The absurdity and heresy of Preterism
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Romans 10 and 11 summary.
Romans 10, God was done with Ethnic Israel and has cast them away for ever. He reasoned with them for centuries but the word of God NEVER took root in them. BUT, although he cast them away forever, he did not cast away his CHOSEN PEOPLE, Spiritual Israel, just because they were of Ethnic Israel.
Those antichrist Jews that God cast away, those are the Jews that dispensationalist worship.
Romans 10, God was done with Ethnic Israel and has cast them away for ever. He reasoned with them for centuries but the word of God NEVER took root in them. BUT, although he cast them away forever, he did not cast away his CHOSEN PEOPLE, Spiritual Israel, just because they were of Ethnic Israel.
Those antichrist Jews that God cast away, those are the Jews that dispensationalist worship.
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By Faith (Church)
Hebrews 11 King James Version (KJV)
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
21 By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.
22 By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.
23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.
34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38 (Of whom the world was not worthy
they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Hebrews 11 King James Version (KJV)
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
21 By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.
22 By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.
23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.
34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38 (Of whom the world was not worthy
they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
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Have any of you noticed that futurist and dispensationalist are very 3rd dimensional, or to put it another way, very earthy and of the flesh. For example:
You worship 3rd dimension Jews instead of holding 4th dimensional Jews in honor.
You look for a 3rd dimensional kingdom instead of the 4th dimensional kingdom that Jesus preached about.
You look for a future 3rd dimensional temple rather than the 4th dimensional body of Christ.
You look for a 3rd dimensional throne of David rather than the 4th dimensional throne of David.
You look for a 3rd dimensional 1000 year reign of Christ rather than a 4th dimensional reign of Christ.
I see absolutey no difference between what you guys believe and what the Jews that killed Christ believed.
You worship 3rd dimension Jews instead of holding 4th dimensional Jews in honor.
You look for a 3rd dimensional kingdom instead of the 4th dimensional kingdom that Jesus preached about.
You look for a future 3rd dimensional temple rather than the 4th dimensional body of Christ.
You look for a 3rd dimensional throne of David rather than the 4th dimensional throne of David.
You look for a 3rd dimensional 1000 year reign of Christ rather than a 4th dimensional reign of Christ.
I see absolutey no difference between what you guys believe and what the Jews that killed Christ believed.
Well, Paul says over and over that Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father. Acts tells us Jesus is a Prince and Saviour. Revelation tells us when Jesus takes His rightful place as King.
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Revelation 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Revelation 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
"which IN HIS TIMES He SHALL SHEW [openly manifest / display]..." 1Tim6:15
...and then the verse goes on to use the "King of kings and Lord of lords" phrase, which is only used elsewhere in Rev19:16 [and 17:14 in the opposite order]
The word "King" [re: Jesus] is only used TWO TIMES in all of the epistles, and both of them are "future tense"... So, in my view, it is just a matter of "when" the following pronouncement will be made:
"And the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were great voices in heaven, saying: "The kingdom of the world has become that of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign to the ages of the ages." " Revelation 11:15
[note: this does not mean I believe the "7th Trumpet" is at the END of the trib, but that this pronouncement is made some time prior to the end of the trib... and that the Vials still have yet to unfold upon the earth, at that point in the chronology]
See also 1Cor15:25 "For He must reign, till..." (which comes after the verse which has the "THEN" word that is a SEQUENCE WORD ONLY, with no time element attached... meaning, it is NOT saying "Then [IMMEDIATELY] the end," but instead, says, "The [SEQUENTIALLY] the end..." [the "reign... until" fits between there, during that "sequential" thing, lol])
...and Hebrews 10:12-13 says, "12 But this One, having offered one sacrifice for sins in perpetuity, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 the henceforth awaiting until His enemies should be placed as a footstool for His feet."
... but right now ("in this present age [singular]"), we are in the time during which we are keeping [have kept] "the word of My patience [/patient endurance]" (Rev3:10--where this is being CONTRASTED with "the HOUR of trial to come upon the whole world, to try those dwelling upon the earth" [i.e. the trib, or its first half anyway--but which "hour" we will be "kept out-from" ]),
...but during the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period [Rev4:1 thru chpt 19], He will again be exercising His "VENGEANCE" (see this "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" phrase used in both Luke 18:8 "AVENGE *in quickness [noun]*" [note end chpt 17 context] and in Romans 16:20 [this one addressed to "the Church which is His body"] "shall CRUSH Satan UNDER YOUR FEET *in quickness [noun]*," which I believe correlates with the 1Cor6:3[14] "we SHALL JUDGE ANGELS" and requiring our "change of location" [i.e. one purpose for "our Rapture," and why we see also "[24] thrones" in heaven before the FIRST SEAL is opened at the START of the future trib yrs, when Jesus will "STAND to judge" [Isa3:13, Rev5:6, (Lam2:3-4 being parallel wording to that of 2Th2:7b-8a)]--and which is not what is taking place in the NOW)
...and then the verse goes on to use the "King of kings and Lord of lords" phrase, which is only used elsewhere in Rev19:16 [and 17:14 in the opposite order]
The word "King" [re: Jesus] is only used TWO TIMES in all of the epistles, and both of them are "future tense"... So, in my view, it is just a matter of "when" the following pronouncement will be made:
"And the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were great voices in heaven, saying: "The kingdom of the world has become that of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign to the ages of the ages." " Revelation 11:15
[note: this does not mean I believe the "7th Trumpet" is at the END of the trib, but that this pronouncement is made some time prior to the end of the trib... and that the Vials still have yet to unfold upon the earth, at that point in the chronology]
See also 1Cor15:25 "For He must reign, till..." (which comes after the verse which has the "THEN" word that is a SEQUENCE WORD ONLY, with no time element attached... meaning, it is NOT saying "Then [IMMEDIATELY] the end," but instead, says, "The [SEQUENTIALLY] the end..." [the "reign... until" fits between there, during that "sequential" thing, lol])
...and Hebrews 10:12-13 says, "12 But this One, having offered one sacrifice for sins in perpetuity, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 the henceforth awaiting until His enemies should be placed as a footstool for His feet."
... but right now ("in this present age [singular]"), we are in the time during which we are keeping [have kept] "the word of My patience [/patient endurance]" (Rev3:10--where this is being CONTRASTED with "the HOUR of trial to come upon the whole world, to try those dwelling upon the earth" [i.e. the trib, or its first half anyway--but which "hour" we will be "kept out-from"
]),...but during the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period [Rev4:1 thru chpt 19], He will again be exercising His "VENGEANCE" (see this "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" phrase used in both Luke 18:8 "AVENGE *in quickness [noun]*" [note end chpt 17 context] and in Romans 16:20 [this one addressed to "the Church which is His body"] "shall CRUSH Satan UNDER YOUR FEET *in quickness [noun]*," which I believe correlates with the 1Cor6:3[14] "we SHALL JUDGE ANGELS" and requiring our "change of location" [i.e. one purpose for "our Rapture," and why we see also "[24] thrones" in heaven before the FIRST SEAL is opened at the START of the future trib yrs, when Jesus will "STAND to judge" [Isa3:13, Rev5:6, (Lam2:3-4 being parallel wording to that of 2Th2:7b-8a)]--and which is not what is taking place in the NOW)