The absurdity and heresy of Preterism
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this is probably a good definition of preterism
Preterism, a Christian eschatological view, interprets some (partial preterism) or all (full preterism) prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterism
good to see you here!
this is probably a good definition of preterism
Preterism, a Christian eschatological view, interprets some (partial preterism) or all (full preterism) prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterism
But what does the "AFTER THIS / AFTER THESE" refer to?
14 Simeon did declare how at first God did look after to take [G2983] out of [ex/ek - G1537] the nations [/the Gentiles] a people for His name, 15 and to this agree the words of the prophets, as it hath been written:
16 After these [things] I will turn back [/will return], and I will build again the tabernacle of David, that is fallen down, and its ruins I will build again, and will set it upright —
17 that the residue of men may seek after the Lord [...]
"AFTER THESE" what?
14 Simeon did declare how at first God did look after to take [G2983] out of [ex/ek - G1537] the nations [/the Gentiles] a people for His name, 15 and to this agree the words of the prophets, as it hath been written:
16 After these [things] I will turn back [/will return], and I will build again the tabernacle of David, that is fallen down, and its ruins I will build again, and will set it upright —
17 that the residue of men may seek after the Lord [...]
"AFTER THESE" what?
Jer 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
Jer 30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
Jer 30:9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
Who was Jacob yoked to when Christ came?
Who was Jacob in bonds to when Christ came?
Who are the strangers that will no longer serve themselves in the person that Jacob is yoked to?
Who did the strangers (The Gentiles) begin to serve when Christ came?
Answer those questions and you will know the exact time frame of Jeremiah 30. Or if you prefer, try to make fit these questions.
Who will Jacob be yoked to when Christ comes again?
Who will Jacob be in bonds to when Christ comes again?
Who are the strangers that will no longer serve themselves in the person that Jacob is yoked to?
Who will the strangers (The Gentiles) begin to serve when Christ comes again?
Jer 30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
Jer 30:9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
Who was Jacob yoked to when Christ came?
Who was Jacob in bonds to when Christ came?
Who are the strangers that will no longer serve themselves in the person that Jacob is yoked to?
Who did the strangers (The Gentiles) begin to serve when Christ came?
Answer those questions and you will know the exact time frame of Jeremiah 30. Or if you prefer, try to make fit these questions.
Who will Jacob be yoked to when Christ comes again?
Who will Jacob be in bonds to when Christ comes again?
Who are the strangers that will no longer serve themselves in the person that Jacob is yoked to?
Who will the strangers (The Gentiles) begin to serve when Christ comes again?
(Act 15:16) After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
(Act 15:17) That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
According to verse 15 "After these things" was something that happened BEFORE God chose the gentiles because at least one purpose of the rebuilt tabernacle of David was so that the Gentiles would seek after the Lord. So I don't know what "After these things" would be.
(Act 15:17) That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
According to verse 15 "After these things" was something that happened BEFORE God chose the gentiles because at least one purpose of the rebuilt tabernacle of David was so that the Gentiles would seek after the Lord. So I don't know what "After these things" would be.
This gets back to what Peter said in Acts 3.
In Acts 3:22, Peter refers to Jesus having been the One that was [the fulfillment of] "RAISE UP unto you" but here speaks of the aspect of "a PROPHET like unto [MOSES]"... and it is this "PROPHET" aspect that refers to His being "raised up" to a position of prominence BEFORE the Cross (that is, DURING His earthly ministry BEFORE His death / the Cross).
See also Acts 3:11-26, Acts 7:37 (37-45), and Deut18:15-20, ALL re: "PROPHET" (His position as "PROPHET" and which aspect pertains to the "SUFFERING SERVANT" aspect they had overlooked/bypassed [thus themselves FULFILLING those very things: His REJECTION and DEATH], vv.13,26 [BEFORE His death])
This is distinct from His position as "KING" (which is what the Jer30:9's "raise up unto them" refers to... "KING"). And presently, He is in the position of "Priest" [interceding, etc] (and later, upon His return, "Priest-King" also).
It is in THIS context that 3:21 says the "whom heaven must receive UNTIL..."
[and this is also why there is a DISTINCTION between John 6:39 (re: things) and John 6:40 (re: persons)... the "THINGS" will ALSO be "raise[d] up IN THE LAST DAY" (not lasting merely "a singular 24-hr day")]
In Acts 3:22, Peter refers to Jesus having been the One that was [the fulfillment of] "RAISE UP unto you" but here speaks of the aspect of "a PROPHET like unto [MOSES]"... and it is this "PROPHET" aspect that refers to His being "raised up" to a position of prominence BEFORE the Cross (that is, DURING His earthly ministry BEFORE His death / the Cross).
See also Acts 3:11-26, Acts 7:37 (37-45), and Deut18:15-20, ALL re: "PROPHET" (His position as "PROPHET" and which aspect pertains to the "SUFFERING SERVANT" aspect they had overlooked/bypassed [thus themselves FULFILLING those very things: His REJECTION and DEATH], vv.13,26 [BEFORE His death])
This is distinct from His position as "KING" (which is what the Jer30:9's "raise up unto them" refers to... "KING"). And presently, He is in the position of "Priest" [interceding, etc] (and later, upon His return, "Priest-King" also).
It is in THIS context that 3:21 says the "whom heaven must receive UNTIL..."
[and this is also why there is a DISTINCTION between John 6:39 (re: things) and John 6:40 (re: persons)... the "THINGS" will ALSO be "raise[d] up IN THE LAST DAY" (not lasting merely "a singular 24-hr day")]
When as a preterist you start with the utter and final abandonment of Israel by God, and the breaking of His unconditional Covenants thereof, what do expect but a total breakdown and failure to comprehend of every other scruple of Scripture? And everyone is still bewildered how team amillenialist here are still totally clueless despite literally backing up the truck and dumping a load of infallible verses upon them?
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The Jews were not, have never been and never will be God's chosen people. God chooses whom ever he wants from whatever blood line he wants. Our ethnic heritage has nothing to do with election.
Rom_9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom_9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
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Deuteronomy 7
6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
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You never heard of "the servitude of the nation" and "the desolations of Jerusalem"? Hint: its the fisrt and third seige of Nebuchadnezzar. Thats the bondage being spoken of here. You are batting zero so far. Your exegesis is 100% totally wrong. And no, there is ZERO regarding the Church here either.
All aboard the KJV1611 crazy train! Toot toot!
All aboard the KJV1611 crazy train! Toot toot!
(1Pe 2:9) But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
(1Pe 2:10) Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
Peter talking to JEWS that came to Christ, calling them a royal priesthood, an holy nation, which in TIMES PAST were not God's people, not a royal priesthood, not an holy nation chosen by God.
You guys make the same mistakes over and over. All Israel IS NOT of Israel.
(1Pe 2:10) Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
Peter talking to JEWS that came to Christ, calling them a royal priesthood, an holy nation, which in TIMES PAST were not God's people, not a royal priesthood, not an holy nation chosen by God.
You guys make the same mistakes over and over. All Israel IS NOT of Israel.