"God loves everyone" - false

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preacher4truth said:
Part of the issue? The incessant lying, slander, ridicule, mockery, name calling, failure to own up when proven in error (note my post to EG). A person counters you argument with a statement, you point out the glaring category error and that it’s unrelated, then that’s not what he meant. Um. Lol!!!!!!!! That’s what we call bovine scat in these parts. When you can’t get a guy to admit he’s arguing out of context and made a category error that is plain to see? Yep. Why bother.

I'll try to give you more votes. :LOL:
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Thank you I will add them to the list.

Callow
Simpleton
Slanderer
Disingenuous
Immature
Cowards (that is a favourite for sure)

Guilty of Psalm 50:20-21
Liars
Mockers
Ridiculers
Name callers

Anything else?
 
Fastfredy0 said:
Point taken. I take it you are in general agreement with me ... you and @Sackcloth-N-Ashes that is
Getting lonely on my side of argument ... way down on votes.. LMAO

Looks like you are very 'ticked off' at some members. (Probably with reason) Why do you bother?
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lol.. what makes you think it is just him?

He makes enough people angry, thats why they put him on ignore. because they are sick of it.. But then he calls them cowards.

By the way, Have you been here before? Alot of what you say sounds familiar.. just asking Not assuming or judging.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
lol.. what makes you think it is just him?

He makes enough people angry, thats why they put him on ignore. because they are sick of it.. But then he calls them cowards.

By the way, Have you been here before? Alot of what you say sounds familiar.. just asking Not assuming or judging.
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Sovereign Grace?
 
preacher4truth said:
Part of the issue? The incessant lying, slander, ridicule, mockery, name calling, failure to own up when proven in error (note my post to EG). A person counters you argument with a statement, you point out the glaring category error and that it’s unrelated, then that’s not what he meant. Um. Lol!!!!!!!! That’s what we call bovine scat in these parts. When you can’t get a guy to admit he’s arguing out of context and made a category error that is plain to see? Yep. Why bother.

I'll try to give you more votes. :LOL:
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once again.

PROVE YOUR SLANDER!

You have made this accusations numerous times in the past few days. Yet not one ounce of proof.

Of course we know why.

Your guilty of the very things you judge others of. And it is not just me who thinks so. Many have pointed this out to you.

As for you proving EG in error?

You did no such thing. What you proved is you like control. And you will get it however you can.. You think you know my reasoning. Yet you were wrong

But you can not admit error.. Can you?
 
Just to set the record straight

P4T thinks roman 9 is talking about salvation of induviduals.

EG does not. P4T knows this, because EG and P4T has had this discussion in the past.

So when EG made his comment, He did NOT make it to mean salvation grace, Because to EG, IT IS NOT SALVATION ERCY GOD WAS SPEAKING OF!

Now. Will P4T appologize of his slander. Or does EG have to report him again??
 
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preacher4truth said:
I voted!

Hey, if a guy would just humble himself and admit the error, then we could have dialog. Pride won't let that happen. There is no need to continue on after this because everything after that point is disingenuous waffling.

My beliefs now came via admitting I was in error. Frankly it didn't bother me to admit I was in error. But I was at a point in my life where I wanted the truth. That was God, not me.
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Your right

Pride will not allow it to happen.

But its your pride my friend.

Would have been better off if you just let me keep you on ignore.. But no.. You had to start.
 
Fastfredy0 said:
Thanks for the vote.. :)

I asked myself ... what is the BIGGEST doctrine you have changed your mind on in the last 5 years. Said it was about LORDSHIP SALVATION ... but took a while. (aside: maybe I have it wrong now, and right before ...lol)
I had semi strong ideas on eschatology ... I am at point that I think I have vague guess, couple things pretty sure ... but won't stake my life on any thing in that area. Heard R.C. Sproul says some like "he was 100% sure regeneration precedes faith" but much lower percent confidence about eschatology.

Guess all Christians want the truth.
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mine so far is pre-trib.. I was avid and would not budge, Until some people in this very chatroom changed my view.. Now instead of being avid pre-trib, I am undecided.

There are other view. Like saying Tongues is completely done away with.. I have changed my view there also.. I fully believe God can and does in situations use that gift..
 
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preacher4truth said:
You're denying your own argument to counter mine. You can't own your own statements as when they're proven wrong you move the goalposts.

You made a category error, admit it, and you do so often which is why your arguments are readily dismantled. Then you resort to the above. Thus is how you handle being proven wrong.
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Your wrong

You think Romans 9 is about salvation. I do not. Thats WHY i countered with my point, to show you that his mercy is NOT about salvation. But general Grace.



Now tell us why you argued God does show mercy to all to counter my argument, which is biblical, that he actually won't and doesn't. I can't wait to see the spin you put on it. :)
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I have numerous times now.. Get over yourself
I know your beliefs already, you think God shows everyone mercy, thus your argument to counter Scripture that he doesn't. My guess is you'll bow out after a couple more accusations.
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1. Your pride once again overcomes you
2. God has shown mercy, Exactly as I showed (even you yourself called it general Grace) that is my view. And you actually seemed to agree with me
3. Thanks once again for showing the chatroom how little you actually know about my belief.. Will you admit you were wrong? of keep attacking like you always do?
4. Bow out? That would only happen if I was wrong, and my conscious was pushing me to back away.. I am not wrong about my own beliefs my friend.

GOD knows the reason I posted what I posted. He is the ONLY one other than me, who knows exactly why.. Are you trying to say you are like God now? Just asking. Because you seem to think you can read my mind.. Which is an atribute only God can do.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Sovereign Grace?
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I do not know.. The only difference in the way he does things is his so called premise reasoning (not different from SG, But different as in familiar)

Other than this, He sounds so familiar.. But I am not going to judge.. That would be assuming..
 
DanielT said:
But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." - Matthew 5:44-45

Do you really need this passage to use the exact words "God loves His enemies" in order to understand that that is exactly what it's saying? Essentially, Jesus is saying "love your enemies just like God does".
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Yes, the question is not about what our love, it is about God's love. Golly, your side claims "GOD IS LOVE", so must be somewhere in the bible that you can find that says GOD LOVES EVERYONE (without exception). God is not obligation to obey His own commandments. He gives orders, we take them. He is above the law, not subject to the law. He is subject, so to speak, to His own essence.

No one is answering my questions ... *pout*
 
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Fastfredy0 said:
Yes, the question is not about what our love, it is about God's love. Golly, your side claims "GOD IS LOVE", so must be somewhere in the bible that you can find that says GOD LOVES EVERYONE (without exception). God is not obligation to obey His own commandments. He gives orders, we take them. He is above the law, not subject to the law. He is subject, so to speak, to His own essence.

No one is answering my questions ... *pout*
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What is the question exactly... I do not see a question in that paragraph.
 
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Fastfredy0 said:
Yes, the question is not about what our love, it is about God's love. Golly, your side claims "GOD IS LOVE", so must be somewhere in the bible that you can find that says GOD LOVES EVERYONE (without exception). God is not obligation to obey His own commandments. He gives orders, we take them. He is above the law, not subject to the law. He is subject, so to speak, to His own essence.

No one is answering my questions ... *pout*
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"Yes, the question is not about what our love, it is about God's love."

Yes. And I answered you about God's love. Please show me how you can reasonably interpret Matthew 5:44-45 without coming to the conclusion that Jesus is saying that God loves both the righteous and the unrighteous, i.e. everyone.

"Golly, your side claims "GOD IS LOVE", so must be somewhere in the bible that you can find that says GOD LOVES EVERYONE (without exception)."

I wonder if you would express this level of skepticism regarding the Trinity? There is no verse in the Bible that says explicitly "God is a Trinity". The Muslims will constantly argue against the divinity of Christ by saying "show me one verse where Jesus says 'I am God, worship me'". Your level of skepticism towards the implication of verses such as Matthew 5:44-45, 1 John 4:8, 1 John 4:16, John 3:16, and others that God does indeed love everyone kind of reminds of that resistance.
 
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Fastfredy0 said:
Yes, the question is not about what our love, it is about God's love. Golly, your side claims "GOD IS LOVE", so must be somewhere in the bible that you can find that says GOD LOVES EVERYONE (without exception). God is not obligation to obey His own commandments. He gives orders, we take them. He is above the law, not subject to the law. He is subject, so to speak, to His own essence.

No one is answering my questions ... *pout*
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In summation under your theory since it yet to be proven.....

1) We have Christ Jesus the MAN loved everyone ... at the same time Christ Jesus the God hated those very same people. (Which basically means He as a walking contradiction).

2) Since God does not have to do what we do (true) He can request we love those He hates, however, since we do not know those He hates we should refrain from ever telling a person that 'God loves them" since then we would be lying and breaking one His commandments.

3) Let see what else.... God basically hates 99.99999 % of the population at any given moment yet scripture declares God is love? :unsure:
Matthew 5:44-45, 1 John 4:8, 1 John 4:16, John 3:16,

4) We cannot really look to Jesus to know God... since His humanity is not in aligned with this Divinity... they are Unaligned, Not in Tandem
The actions of human Jesus we must conclude in no way reflects the attributes of God the Father. They are separate not in union.

Honestly this absolutely shocking!!
 
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