The Purpose of Speaking in Tongues

[garee]

What a silly question. If you haven't, then why did you post a bunch of irrelevant verbiage?

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the praying in tongues is found in 1cor chapter 14. It does not matter if we see any benefit in it, it only matters that it is in the word of God, and is it for today? I believe this gift is as all are. The origin of this gift is the Holy Spirit. That is what 1cor chapter 12 is stating.

Irrelevant to what ?

What if we see it as judgement on those who mock God and it warns us? That's a benefit .

Chapter 14 informs us of the law God mocking those who mock prophecy .The tongue of God. They would be the ones that forfeit the foundation of the law (Isaiah 28) and keep the tradition of corrupted mankind. Seeking after wonderments through signs men perform, self edification .(Look I did it)

 

[Dino246]

Irrelevant to what ?

That shows that you do not actually understand what "relevant" and "irrelevant" mean, or how to apply them in your interactions here. If you did, you wouldn't need to ask.

 

[KelbyofGod]

When they were in the upper room. We’re they speaking an angelic language or Parthian, Mede, Elamite, Mesopotamian, Judaean, Cappadocian, (both Pontus, and Asian)
Phrygian, Pamphylian, (Egyptian) Libyan (Cyrenean) Roman Jewish and proselytes, (gentile converts)

It really wouldn't matter in terms of "proper meeting etiquette" whether it was natural or spiritual languages. But let's look at it as if it was all th earhtly languages being spoken before the crowd gathered together.

So...IF... on the Day of Pentecost, they were all gathered together in one accord, the Holy Ghost comes and they ALL start speaking in "miscellaneous earthly languages".... What would up to 120 disciples (per Acts 1:15) speaking 14-ish languages (that the speakers and most listeners don't know) sound like? Would that sound much different than the babbly kind of tongues"?

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[KelbyofGod]

My apologies to all in that I haven't been able to keep up on replies. I will try to catch up. (If the Lord will).

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[garee]

You are much closer to the truth than any of these who claim to speak or pray in tongues. Tongues in the modern church are an evidence of a failure to mature in Christ.

Scripture does tell us that we are to be conformed to the image of our Savior. Jesus never prayed in tongues nor did Jesus ever speak in tongues. Some would say it does not matter and they are correct tongues are of no Spiritual significance in todays church. They were significant in the apostolic church but that ended centuries ago.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

We must be careful how we hear or say we hear. We know the wiles of the devil in so much that seeks to make the word of God to no effect through the oral traditions of corrupted mankind. " Did God really say" ( Isaiah 28)

No such thing as a sign as viewable gift (sign gift) to be be used to self edify ..(Look I did it)

Can't see a spirit gift that works inside .Its where faith comes in. faith does not come from the things seen .The temporal

There are spiritual gifts (non viewable) which are all still active. (the unseen eternal)

Tongues is prophecy it is used as sign "against" those who refuse to hear prophecy and get under sola scriptura(the revealed will of God.

Corrupted mankind has made it into a oral tradition. If a person would look to the foundation of the doctrine as a law (Isaiah 28 ) Its east y to see that God with stammering lips (mocking) Mocking those who refuse to get under sola scriptura .They use the oral tradition of making senseless, faithless noises and fall backward in order to mock the authority of sola scriptura as a sign against them .

Note.... green = prophecy as other tongues. Other lips prophets

Note. red = the power of the gospel

Note ... orange = those who mock God with their oral traditions of corrupted mankind.

We can revisit the law given as a foundation in Isaiah 28 according to its witness below

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 1 Corinthians 14:22

The question I would ask is. Why after all that warning would a person repeat the matter by making a senseless sound and fall backward mocking the spirit of judgment and call that self edification .(look what I did). ? ? ? ?

How in the world could that be called walking by faith? Sounds to me that someone made the foundation of the doctrine without effect.

 

[garee]

It really wouldn't matter in terms of "proper meeting etiquette" whether it was natural or spiritual languages. But let's look at it as if it was all th earhtly languages being spoken before the crowd gathered together.

So...IF... on the Day of Pentecost, they were all gathered together in one accord, the Holy Ghost comes and they ALL start speaking in "miscellaneous earthly languages".... What would up to 120 disciples (per Acts 1:15) speaking 14-ish languages (that the speakers and most listeners don't know) sound like? Would that sound much different than the babbly kind of tongues"?

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Sounds like prophecy the one kind of tongues doing its work in the 120 . . to both will and perform the good pleasure of God .

What else could it be senseless sounds that men make when they fall backward ?

 

[Kavik]

What would up to 120 disciples (per Acts 1:15) speaking 14-ish languages (that the speakers and most listeners don't know) sound like?

It would only have been the twelve, and the mother tongues (sic!) of the crowd would have only been two: Aramaic and Greek. The "list of nations" in Acts is not a list of languages; it's a list of places. People just assume, a bunch of various places, a bunch of various languages. One needs to ask oneself, if I were a Jew living in one of these places in the 1st century, what would be my mother tongue; the language of hearth and home?

Indeed, in the entire narrative, not one language is ever referenced by name. Nor, given the fact that there were Jews from all the lands noted in the list of nations, is it ever suggested that communication between all these people was ever an issue to begin with. Why do you suppose that is?

 

[CS1]

You are much closer to the truth than any of these who claim to speak or pray in tongues. Tongues in the modern church are an evidence of a failure to mature in Christ.

Scripture does tell us that we are to be conformed to the image of our Savior. Jesus never prayed in tongues nor did Jesus ever speak in tongues. Some would say it does not matter and they are correct tongues are of no Spiritual significance in todays church. They were significant in the apostolic church but that ended centuries ago.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

wrong! you are just a hateful person. You have not Biblical refute so you attack what you do not know or understand. Acts 1:8 is to all who know Jesus as Lord. 1cor chapter 12 -14 all contextually about the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Which are for today ALL of them.

You have been shown this in the word of God but pride has blinded you You are not an authority on the topic, yet you think you are.

 

[CS1]

Jesus and the 12 prayed in their common language, did they not have a direct line to the Father?

Jesus is God there was not language HE did not know.

 

[Absolutely]

I really like the way the outpouring of the Holy Ghost (because of the observable attribute of speaking in tongues) took the power to claim "You're only good enough if WE say you're good enough" out of the hands of the church leaders of the day...even the believing church leaders like Peter who originally thought the Gentiles were excluded from the promise of the comforter (as we'll see once we get to Acts 10) and put that power solely in the hands of Jesus (who is the only one who can baptize anyone in the Holy Ghost).

Speaking in tongues is the sign that said "Hey, you can't claim that these people aren't good enough to receive the Holy Ghost, because Guess what...they just got it." <--paraphased Acts 10:44-46

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Jesus said "it is expedient that I go so I can send you the Holy Spirit"
And;
" tarry in Jerusalem till you recieve the Holy Spirit"

Those against that will never get on the same page as those with the experience.

The experience comes first

The spirit Preceedes the written word.

Most here have that inverted.

They say "that experience is not my reality,so let me remove that dimension through rearranging verses."

I recently encountered an atheist.
His deal was reasoning. A ton of it.
If I reasoned from heaven,he would reason from his bogus sources of info.
Rediculous claims of other planets with "humans" and such. Claims of men writing a bible with made up stories.

So I dropped the game changer on him. MY EXPERIENCE. MY RELATIONSHIP. MY INTIMACY WITH JESUS.
That is IRREFUTABLE.
Same with the spirit.
What were they met with when they "came down" from the upper room?
REASONING.

GOD RESPONDED with changing gears into languages they could understand.

When people try to be experts in something they have not experienced it is flat and shallow.
When God meets man with power it is always powerful.

God authenticates himself, his word,his ministry, his promises,THROUGH the natural,and the spiritual.
God Authenticates.

So those outside experience can never "understand" the supernatural nature of God.

So what do they do at the crossroad of confrontation?
Mock,belittle,teardown, and attempt disenfranchisement.
That is human natural operation.
It is almost like a vexation to them.

The spirit can never be "understood" by men.
The spirit thingscsre understood through windows into heaven. Spiritually seen and experienced.
I dont understand Jesus, I experience Him.

I experienced both salvation and receiving the baptism in the Holy Spirit.
The word of God confirms both.
Both are 1000% confirmed and AUTHENTICATED by the early church, the word,and by fruits and Jesus Himself.

Joy unspeakable
The walk becomes an adventure

 

[jaybird88]

Jesus is God there was not language HE did not know.

But the guy said if you use the special prayer language you get a direct line to the Father, I guess everyone else gets put on hold?

 

[garee]

It would only have been the twelve, and the mother tongues (sic!) of the crowd would have only been two: Aramaic and Greek. The "list of nations" in Acts is not a list of languages; it's a list of places. People just assume, a bunch of various places, a bunch of various languages. One needs to ask oneself, if I were a Jew living in one of these places in the 1st century, what would be my mother tongue; the language of hearth and home?

Indeed, in the entire narrative, not one language is ever referenced by name. Nor, given the fact that there were Jews from all the lands noted in the list of nations, is it ever suggested that communication between all these people was ever an issue to begin with. Why do you suppose that is?

To fulfill the loving law (1 Corinthians 14:22-23 ) that protects the integrity of His living abiding word. It founded in Isaiah 28 . God, with stammering lips (mocking) a picture or parable of the Holy Spirit mocking the oral traditions of corrupted mankind. . . those who will have nothing to do with; "all things written in the law and the prophets" They have their own law a law of men that clearly mocks the tradition of "sola scriptura" and shows. They stop up their ears like a deaf Adler. .Mocking the spirit of judgment (the letter of the law, scripture ) paying it no heed.

Tongues is prophecy. The revelation of the gospel. Our new tongues by which we plant the incorruptible seed in a hope he will breath into it born again spirit life. A sign using metaphors in parables. . . the un-seen work of faith that works in us not of us. . They follow after not designed for self edification . No commandment in the bible declares. Make a senseless noise and fall backwards . . .mocking God's word.

Why would God put people in a unsafe environment where the wonderment could change to 911? Like the snake handlers in their effort of self edification.

No man can serve two written masters as a law.

Makes me wonder why men would make senses sounds and fall backward . Especially if it a sign from God marking their unbelief. Those who do mock the word of God in that way show contempt for the law of faith . the law that revels the hidden things of God. The golden measure of faith

 

[wolfwint]

wrong! you are just a hateful person. You have not Biblical refute so you attack what you do not know or understand. Acts 1:8 is to all who know Jesus as Lord. 1cor chapter 12 -14 all contextually about the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Which are for today ALL of them.

You have been shown this in the word of God but pride has blinded you You are not an authority on the topic, yet you think you are.

Btw, that we have today the praying in tongue movement is no proof for an working of the Holy Spirit. But this was not the theme of the OP.

 

[wolfwint]

the praying in tongues is found in 1cor chapter 14. It does not matter if we see any benefit in it, it only matters that it is in the word of God, and is it for today? I believe this gift is as all are. The origin of this gift is the Holy Spirit. That is what 1cor chapter 12 is stating.

But your claim is going over the Op,s wish, only to discuss the Gifts in the time of the NT.
I suppose there all have one mind, because nobody denying that the gifts of speaking in tongues worked in the past as it is written.
Maby to add that this gift was overemphesised in Corinth. Pauls talking and comparing wih the gift of prophecie lead to this conclusion.

 

[Reformyourself]

wrong! you are just a hateful person. You have not Biblical refute so you attack what you do not know or understand. Acts 1:8 is to all who know Jesus as Lord. 1cor chapter 12 -14 all contextually about the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Which are for today ALL of them.

You have been shown this in the word of God but pride has blinded you You are not an authority on the topic, yet you think you are.

Don’t be a meanyhead 😝

 

[Reformyourself]

We were in an evangelical church for 17 years. One person spoke in tongues (y,know yabba dabba do stuff🤪) then, when they finished, it was quiet, then they interpreted their own message!!
Nobody in eldership said anything... We both got a message to leave not long after that 😔

 

[Dino246]

No such thing as a sign as viewable gift (sign gift) to be be used to self edify ..(Look I did it)

Can't see a spirit gift that works inside .Its where faith comes in. faith does not come from the things seen .The temporal

There are spiritual gifts (non viewable) which are all still active. (the unseen eternal)

Nothing in Scripture supports what you claim.

Tongues is prophecy

They are distinguished in Scripture.

The question I would ask is. Why after all that warning would a person repeat the matter by making a senseless sound and fall backward mocking the spirit of judgment and call that self edification .(look what I did). ? ? ? ?

Try asking someone who actually believes and practices what you describe. Good luck finding one.

 

[CS1]

Don’t be a meanyhead 😝

not speaking to you

 

[Reformyourself]

not speaking to you

Not answering you!

 

[Reformyourself]

Not answering you!

😝