"Not by works" - false!

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azamzimtoti

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I find it interesting that DB claims to be a new Christian yet wants to teach people that have been Christians for years their errors
 
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DBurrage said:
It's not one or the other, it's both.
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OK can you please point me to the verse where He says "unless you keep my commandments you will die in your sins"

I am already familiar with John 8:24 but am not aware of the passage where He says eternal life is by works.

Thanks.
 
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azamzimtoti said:
I find it interesting that DB claims to be a new Christian yet wants to teach people their errors that have been Christians for years.
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Does God love older Christians more than he does new Christians?

Do older Christians have a special gift to read the Bible that new Christians do not.

The trouble is that what I see is that people allow their reading of the Bible to be skewed by 'accepted wisdom' and 'long held dogma'.
 
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posthuman said:
OK can you please point me to the verse where He says "unless you keep my commandments you will die in your sins"

I am already familiar with John 8:24 but am not aware of the passage where He says eternal life is by works.

Thanks.
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You're making the mistake that others have made in this thread: you're conflating our requirement to keep God's commandments with 'salvation by works'.

I have already provided Hebrews 10:26 for you.
 
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DBurrage said:
Hebrews 10:26
"Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins."
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Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

Do these two passages contradict each other?
 
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DBurrage said:
Jesus said to keep his commandments, did he not?
Or is he lying?
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Do you make Jesus a liar?

“In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace” (Ephesians 1:7).
 
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DBurrage said:
You're making the mistake that others have made in this thread: you're conflating our requirement to keep God's commandments with 'salvation by works'.

I have already provided Hebrews 10:26 for you.
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When I asked which of the two things He said, you said both.

Did He say both or not?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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EleventhHour said:
Not to mention that is not even close to anything @dcontroversal has ever stated.

More slander
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This is WHY i ignored everything he said

But then he started calling me a coward and a liar

So I have since shown how afraid I am of him by standing in front of him and calling him out. and asking for proof of the lies he said I have made.

I mean If he wants, I can put him back, and just consider what I already know.. Where I had him in the first place unstill he opened his mouth..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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MyrtleTrees said:
Well said and true! As the sheep and goats parable of Matthew 25 shows, many who think they are Christians will sadly find out that they aren't! So much better to make sure one is saved and be willing to live in obedience to God's Word, than to end up in hell!
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while I agree, much better to make sure one is saved.

It goes both ways.

Jesus also said many will come in that day professing of all their works they did in his name. And he will declare to them he never knew them

Many will think they are saved based on how good they think they are and all their works. and will sadly get told that same message
 
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DBurrage said:
Read what I wrote.

He also said, through me, to change that awful profile picture you have ;)
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So He didn't actually say both, but you'd like to keep preaching that He did, and you reject Romans chapter 6 and Colossians 3:3

am I understanding you correctly?
 
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This actually got Paul in trouble...he did this to satisfy James advice because too many were saying that Paul was teaching men not to follow the law of Moses and since Paul was getting ready to speak in the temple in Jerusalem, James was worried and felt if Paul followed the laws of Purification (which should have been a clear no no for anyone under CHRIST´S COVERING understanding that it is in CHRIST alone that we are washed and justified to begin with)....

This cost Paul a beating and getting thrown out of the temple...

ANd...He never finished his period of purification, which he should never have agreed to do to begin with...
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The advice of James, don't teach others to not follow the law, comes from his brother Jesus, who taught those that teach against the law will be called last in the kingdom.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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DBurrage said:
The trouble is that what I'm dealing with on this thread is people who do not want to keep God's commandments.
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I am about sick of this lie..

You need to repent of this lie.. Or we will put you in the hands of Jesus himself.
 
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DBurrage said:
Does God love older Christians more than he does new Christians?

Do older Christians have a special gift to read the Bible that new Christians do not.

The trouble is that what I see is that people allow their reading of the Bible to be skewed by 'accepted wisdom' and 'long held dogma'.
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OH you see other people being skewed yet you are newbie to the faith. Yet you are agreeing with other "peoples" long held dogma and presuming their dogma is right. Interesting.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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DBurrage said:
I believe that we are saved by our faith in Jesus Christ.

We will never be able to stop sinning despite our best efforts, but Jesus makes up for this shortfall.
However we do have a duty to keep God's commandments - do you disagree?

I think that if a Christian flagrantly disobeys God, Jesus' sacrifice will not cover those sins:
Hebrews 10:26
"Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins".

Are you saying that we can flagrantly willfully continue disobeying God and be forgiven regardless of how we behave?
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works salvation 101

We cant stop sinning

But if we do not obey then we are lost.
 
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