Prophecy, it’s not what most think.
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You are wrong on several counts. A few are; 1) the Church is biblical Israel, not the broken off unbelievers in the Middle East. 2) When Jesus abolished circumcision, it became forever impossible for anyone to use that as a means to become a member of Biblical Israel. 3) There is no physical Millennial Kingdom. Jesus taught the kingdom is spiritual and only the born again can see and enter it. 4) The great tribulation was for the Jews and happened in AD 70. Tribulation is an ongoing part of the Christian Church. Scripture proof available for each point.
I guess you missed Post #357 :
"One reason this viewpoint ^ cannot be true, is because at the MID-point of the future trib [at the FIFTH TRUMPET/FIRST WOE unto the earth] Satan and his angels are "cast down unto the earth" Rev12:12 and context (and are then limited to that sphere), when there are 1260 days yet remaining until Christ's Second Coming to the earth. Corresponding to other passages, and "fitting" SEQUENTIALLY 1260 days BEFORE he will then be "cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up in the prison, that he should deceive the nations NO MORE, UNTIL the thousand years are completed" Rev20:3 (parallel with the FIRST of the TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21-22[23], whereas the SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words in that text are said to be SEPARATED by a spans of TIME between the FIRST "PUNISH" word and the SECOND "PUNISH" word--just like we see in Rev19-20! [Rev20 supplying the LENGTH of time, being the "further information" of same time-period between])"
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I remain unconvinced of your ["amill-teachings"] viewpoint, due to these scriptures and many others (some of which I've already covered in this thread).
"One reason this viewpoint ^ cannot be true, is because at the MID-point of the future trib [at the FIFTH TRUMPET/FIRST WOE unto the earth] Satan and his angels are "cast down unto the earth" Rev12:12 and context (and are then limited to that sphere), when there are 1260 days yet remaining until Christ's Second Coming to the earth. Corresponding to other passages, and "fitting" SEQUENTIALLY 1260 days BEFORE he will then be "cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up in the prison, that he should deceive the nations NO MORE, UNTIL the thousand years are completed" Rev20:3 (parallel with the FIRST of the TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21-22[23], whereas the SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words in that text are said to be SEPARATED by a spans of TIME between the FIRST "PUNISH" word and the SECOND "PUNISH" word--just like we see in Rev19-20! [Rev20 supplying the LENGTH of time, being the "further information" of same time-period between])"
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I remain unconvinced of your ["amill-teachings"] viewpoint, due to these scriptures and many others (some of which I've already covered in this thread).
I see you don't care to look into the parallel passages of: Rev19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5 to that of Isaiah 24:21-22[23], and thus you do not see what scripture itself it showing.
I did not learn anything from the people you are imagining... I take Peter at his word when he said in Acts 3:21,
"whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age." [that is, OT prophecies which are yet to be fulfilled]
[this being one passage of several (mentioned in prior posts) speaking of the same "UNTIL"]
I did not learn anything from the people you are imagining... I take Peter at his word when he said in Acts 3:21,
"whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age." [that is, OT prophecies which are yet to be fulfilled]
[this being one passage of several (mentioned in prior posts) speaking of the same "UNTIL"]
Surely you do not believe that any member of the Church which is His body can be at risk of what is stated in Rom11:22d "otherwise thou also shalt be cut off".
I would say you have the identification of "the Olive tree" here all askew, and apart from its actual context (I think we went over that before, if I recall rightly).
I would say you have the identification of "the Olive tree" here all askew, and apart from its actual context (I think we went over that before, if I recall rightly).
I'm just looking to survive another week and take care of my family.
Regardless of whether or not the kingdom is physical or spiritual, has arrived or will arrive, spiritually it does not affect my salvation.
Personally, I don't give a crap if has or when it arrives. If has arrived it has had no impact on me, and if it is in the future as stated in prophesy and Revelation I will most likely be dead. That is of course, the rapture takes place in my lifetime.
This is not an issue that I am concerned about as I have a lot going on in my life besides participating in this pointless debate with you.
Regardless of whether or not the kingdom is physical or spiritual, has arrived or will arrive, spiritually it does not affect my salvation.
Personally, I don't give a crap if has or when it arrives. If has arrived it has had no impact on me, and if it is in the future as stated in prophesy and Revelation I will most likely be dead. That is of course, the rapture takes place in my lifetime.
This is not an issue that I am concerned about as I have a lot going on in my life besides participating in this pointless debate with you.
I have no idea what those labels represent, my position has been stated numerous times through the years on this thread and on others that have preceded it.
My position is that biblically, regarding end-time events, there are certain things that must happens before Jesus returns to set up His 1000 year reign on earth. I believe,. according to the parable of the fig tree, that this is now the season for the rest of the events to take place culminating with the return of Jesus to form the government which will, as specifically stated in the bible, be upon His shoulders.
As to the specific day or hour this happens even Jesus does not know this but only the Father.
That's my position.
My position is that biblically, regarding end-time events, there are certain things that must happens before Jesus returns to set up His 1000 year reign on earth. I believe,. according to the parable of the fig tree, that this is now the season for the rest of the events to take place culminating with the return of Jesus to form the government which will, as specifically stated in the bible, be upon His shoulders.
As to the specific day or hour this happens even Jesus does not know this but only the Father.
That's my position.
I have never stated that I was teaching a class of any sort.
Regarding history, if it is before yesterday I'm not that interested except for biblical history because those accounts are accurate. Every day history is rewritten to accommodate a person's current narrative based on their personal bias and prejudices.
I'm not at all interested in yesterday's news unless it is from the Good News.
Regarding history, if it is before yesterday I'm not that interested except for biblical history because those accounts are accurate. Every day history is rewritten to accommodate a person's current narrative based on their personal bias and prejudices.
I'm not at all interested in yesterday's news unless it is from the Good News.
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