Prophecy, it’s not what most think.

[TheDivineWatermark]

and it's spiritual and eternal, not 1000 years of Judaism.

One of the purposes of the tribulation period [which immediately precedes the MK age] is to bring Israel into the New Covenant.

It seems you've misunderstood something somewhere...

 

[Truth7t7]

Mankind has a lifetime of the suffering of hell, the wage of sin .The same wrath we experience today that was revealed to Cain when the wage was increased the father of lie tried to bargain with God and said hell was to much to bear. Abel found the sabbath rest. Christ bore his sin.

I think we can understand the sufferings of natural unconverted mankind they have no rest in their work of suffering.. We to before we are given a new born again spirit had no sabbath rest.

Yoked with Christ the burden is lighter.

Appears you are 7th day adventist?

 

[Dave-L]

One of the purposes of the tribulation period [which immediately precedes the MK age] is to bring Israel into the New Covenant.

It seems you've misunderstood something somewhere...

You are wrong on several counts. A few are; 1) the Church is biblical Israel, not the broken off unbelievers in the Middle East. 2) When Jesus abolished circumcision, it became forever impossible for anyone to use that as a means to become a member of Biblical Israel. 3) There is no physical Millennial Kingdom. Jesus taught the kingdom is spiritual and only the born again can see and enter it. 4) The great tribulation was for the Jews and happened in AD 70. Tribulation is an ongoing part of the Christian Church. Scripture proof available for each point.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

You are wrong on several counts. A few are; 1) the Church is biblical Israel, not the broken off unbelievers in the Middle East. 2) When Jesus abolished circumcision, it became forever impossible for anyone to use that as a means to become a member of Biblical Israel. 3) There is no physical Millennial Kingdom. Jesus taught the kingdom is spiritual and only the born again can see and enter it. 4) The great tribulation was for the Jews and happened in AD 70. Tribulation is an ongoing part of the Christian Church. Scripture proof available for each point.

I guess you missed Post #357 :

"One reason this viewpoint ^ cannot be true, is because at the MID-point of the future trib [at the FIFTH TRUMPET/FIRST WOE unto the earth] Satan and his angels are "cast down unto the earth" Rev12:12 and context (and are then limited to that sphere), when there are 1260 days yet remaining until Christ's Second Coming to the earth. Corresponding to other passages, and "fitting" SEQUENTIALLY 1260 days BEFORE he will then be "cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up in the prison, that he should deceive the nations NO MORE, UNTIL the thousand years are completed" Rev20:3 (parallel with the FIRST of the TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21-22[23], whereas the SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words in that text are said to be SEPARATED by a spans of TIME between the FIRST "PUNISH" word and the SECOND "PUNISH" word--just like we see in Rev19-20! [Rev20 supplying the LENGTH of time, being the "further information" of same time-period between])"

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I remain unconvinced of your ["amill-teachings"] viewpoint, due to these scriptures and many others (some of which I've already covered in this thread).

 

[Dave-L]

I guess you missed Post #357 :

"One reason this viewpoint ^ cannot be true, is because at the MID-point of the future trib [at the FIFTH TRUMPET/FIRST WOE unto the earth] Satan and his angels are "cast down unto the earth" Rev12:12 and context (and are then limited to that sphere), when there are 1260 days yet remaining until Christ's Second Coming to the earth. Corresponding to other passages, and "fitting" SEQUENTIALLY 1260 days BEFORE he will then be "cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up in the prison, that he should deceive the nations NO MORE, UNTIL the thousand years are completed" Rev20:3 (parallel with the FIRST of the TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21-22[23], whereas the SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words in that text are said to be SEPARATED by a spans of TIME between the FIRST "PUNISH" word and the SECOND "PUNISH" word--just like we see in Rev19-20! [Rev20 supplying the LENGTH of time, being the "further information" of same time-period between])"

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I remain unconvinced of your ["amill-teachings"] viewpoint, due to these scriptures and many others (some of which I've already covered in this thread).

You are assuming a false view of the future based on Jesuit lies meant to deceive you.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I see you don't care to look into the parallel passages of: Rev19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5 to that of Isaiah 24:21-22[23], and thus you do not see what scripture itself it showing.

I did not learn anything from the people you are imagining... I take Peter at his word when he said in Acts 3:21,

"whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age." [that is, OT prophecies which are yet to be fulfilled]



[this being one passage of several (mentioned in prior posts) speaking of the same "UNTIL"]

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

You are wrong on several counts. A few are; 1) the Church is biblical Israel, not the broken off unbelievers in the Middle East.

Surely you do not believe that any member of the Church which is His body can be at risk of what is stated in Rom11:22d "otherwise thou also shalt be cut off".

I would say you have the identification of "the Olive tree" here all askew, and apart from its actual context (I think we went over that before, if I recall rightly).

 

[tourist]

Did the kingdom arrive when Daniel and Jesus said it did? In the first century times of the Roman Empire? Or are you still looking for a physical "Millennial Kingdom" patterned after the Pharisee's model?

I'm just looking to survive another week and take care of my family.

Regardless of whether or not the kingdom is physical or spiritual, has arrived or will arrive, spiritually it does not affect my salvation.

Personally, I don't give a crap if has or when it arrives. If has arrived it has had no impact on me, and if it is in the future as stated in prophesy and Revelation I will most likely be dead. That is of course, the rapture takes place in my lifetime.

This is not an issue that I am concerned about as I have a lot going on in my life besides participating in this pointless debate with you.

 

[tourist]

So what's your eschatological position? I'm Amillennial.

I have no idea what those labels represent, my position has been stated numerous times through the years on this thread and on others that have preceded it.

My position is that biblically, regarding end-time events, there are certain things that must happens before Jesus returns to set up His 1000 year reign on earth. I believe,. according to the parable of the fig tree, that this is now the season for the rest of the events to take place culminating with the return of Jesus to form the government which will, as specifically stated in the bible, be upon His shoulders.

As to the specific day or hour this happens even Jesus does not know this but only the Father.

That's my position.

 

[Dave-L]

I have no idea what those labels represent, my position has been stated numerous times through the years on this thread and on others that have preceded it.

My position is that biblically, regarding end-time events, there are certain things that must happens before Jesus returns to set up His 1000 year reign on earth. I believe,. according to the parable of the fig tree, that this is now the season for the rest of the events to take place culminating with the return of Jesus to form the government which will, as specifically stated in the bible, be upon His shoulders.

As to the specific day or hour this happens even Jesus does not know this but only the Father.

That's my position.

So you are teaching a class not knowing what your position is in history? This sounds highly suspect.

 

[Dave-L]

I'm just looking to survive another week and take care of my family.

Regardless of whether or not the kingdom is physical or spiritual, has arrived or will arrive, spiritually it does not affect my salvation.

Personally, I don't give a crap if has or when it arrives. If has arrived it has had no impact on me, and if it is in the future as stated in prophesy and Revelation I will most likely be dead. That is of course, the rapture takes place in my lifetime.

This is not an issue that I am concerned about as I have a lot going on in my life besides participating in this pointless debate with you.

You are responsible for those who listen to you. It sound's as though you are taking it lightly.

 

[Dave-L]

Surely you do not believe that any member of the Church which is His body can be at risk of what is stated in Rom11:22d "otherwise thou also shalt be cut off".

I would say you have the identification of "the Olive tree" here all askew, and apart from its actual context (I think we went over that before, if I recall rightly).

Israel = believers only. There are no members who are not born again.

 

[tourist]

So you are teaching a class not knowing what your position is in history? This sounds highly suspect.

I have never stated that I was teaching a class of any sort.

Regarding history, if it is before yesterday I'm not that interested except for biblical history because those accounts are accurate. Every day history is rewritten to accommodate a person's current narrative based on their personal bias and prejudices.

I'm not at all interested in yesterday's news unless it is from the Good News.

 

[Truth7t7]

One of the purposes of the tribulation period [which immediately precedes the MK age] is to bring Israel into the New Covenant.

It seems you've misunderstood something somewhere...

There won't be a future MK, and not all ethnic Jews are gonna be brought into the covenant of the blood on Calvary.

At the second coming of Jesus Christ he returns in final fire in judgement 2 Peter 3:10-13 the end

 

[tourist]

You are responsible for those who listen to you. It sound's as though you are taking it lightly.

I don't really take anything lightly or for granted. As I have stated, I have other priorities going on in my life besides posting on this particular thread.

 

[Dave-L]

I have never stated that I was teaching a class of any sort.

Regarding history, if it is before yesterday I'm not that interested except for biblical history because those accounts are accurate. Every day history is rewritten to accommodate a person's current narrative based on their personal bias and prejudices.

I'm not at all interested in yesterday's news unless it is from the Good News.

This is the problem. You look for the symbols of Revelation to appear, instead of what they mean. = false prophecy.

 

[Dave-L]

I don't really take anything lightly or for granted. As I have stated, I have other priorities going on in my life besides posting on this particular thread.

So God's word is less important?

 

[Truth7t7]

I have never stated that I was teaching a class of any sort.

Regarding history, if it is before yesterday I'm not that interested except for biblical history because those accounts are accurate. Every day history is rewritten to accommodate a person's current narrative based on their personal bias and prejudices.

I'm not at all interested in yesterday's news unless it is from the Good News.

The biased narrative is a pre-trib rapture and millennial kingdom on this earth, neither is found in Scripture.

 

[tourist]

This is the problem. You look for the symbols of Revelation to appear, instead of what they mean. = false prophecy.

Actually, currently biblical focus is on 2Chronicles. Jesus setting His feet on the Mount of Olives splitting it in two from the east to the west ain't no symbol in my estimation.

 

[tourist]

The biased narrative is a pre-trib rapture and millennial kingdom on this earth, neither is found in Scripture.

Thanks for the heads-up. I will file that information away in an appropriate place.