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John146 said:
Jewish prayer asking God to bring the kingdom to earth. It included give us this day our daily bread...the KOG is not meat or drink.
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it calls the LORD "Father" and it is those born of the Spirit for whom this is true; Jews call Abraham their father. these are Jews asking Messiah to be taught how to pray. Torah already teaches these Jews how to pray. ask why they feel like they need to learn something other than Jewish prayers?
it does not mention "kingdom" at all - so it sure looks like you are eisegeting - but asks that God's will be done on earth in the way that it is done in heaven -- with no contention. the prophets speak of David sitting on the throne of Israel ((i.e. 'kingdom of Israel')) with all nations coming to Jerusalem to keep the feast of booths, yet there are those who do not come: i.e. there is rejection of the Son of David ((contention against the will of God))when He sits on His throne on earth.
 
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EleventhHour said:
If there are two gospels then why is Luke addressing a gentile? This would be a Greek name no?

Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word have handed them down to us, it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus
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There is no link between the 2 points.
 
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posthuman said:
it calls the LORD "Father" and it is those born of the Spirit for whom this is true.
Jews call Abraham their father. it does not mention "kingdom" at all, but asks that God's will be done on earth in the way that it is done in heaven -- with no contention. the prophets speak of David sitting on the throne of Israel ((i.e. 'kingdom of Israel')) with all nations coming to Jerusalem to keep the feast of booths, yet there are those who do not come: i.e. there is rejection of the Son of David ((contention against the will of God))when He sits on His throne on earth.
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Thy kingdom come...
 
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posthuman said:
this is better; you are getting towards the right track. we should talk about time.
this is not an indication that God has various and sundry gospels. this is not an indication that God has various and sundry reigns.
there is one gospel, one Lord who is King over all. He is eternal, and infinite. we are talking about an asymptotic point: He sees and knows and dwells in all times and no time simultaneously. He is I AM - eternal present-tense. was, is, is to come. not contingent on time. independent of time.

God is not a function of time.

He created time and created the world in time. in time and over time He reveals Himself as Salvation Himself, and He does not change.

you drive towards a mountain. when it is far, it looks small, and when you are close, it looms mountain-size. it is the same mountain. your perspective, the resolving power your eyes have beholding the mountain, are what change, not the mountain. they change when differentiated with respect to time.
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At that time, in Acts 1, there was only one gospel, that was the gospel of the kingdom. I agree with you there.

This is an indication that Peter was trying to get national Israel to accept their gospel of the kingdom. Repent and be baptized as priests, then the kingdom will come (Exodus 19:4-6)
 
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EleventhHour said:
Yet it was not a different offer was it.. maybe the start of the first offer but not different?

Mr. Feldick of course has to make it be this way to support his whole theory .. essentially this theory means Jesus had His apostles preach false news.

He knew what was going to happen, did He not?

It hinges on free will as being some kind of determining factor which explains why @Guojing need for free will to be paramount.

God does not play games.
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Jesus knew his timing to reveal new revelations.

He being God knew about the dispensation of grace that would come later, but it was not his time to reveal it to the 12 during his earthly ministry.

Israel must be given a legitimate choice whether or not to accept him as their Messiah. He even told the 12 not to preach that gospel to the Gentiles (Matthew 10:5).

Only after national Israel finally rejected the Holy Spirit by stoning Stephen, he saved Saul and revealed that new revelation to him.
 
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John146 said:
I think it’s quite obvious that Jesus is agreeing that the kingdom of Israel will be restored, but the timing is not for them to know.
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As I have stated, people who are covenant theologians tend to find it difficult to interpret Scripture in its literal meaning.
 
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John146 said:
Paul preached the gospel of grace. His gospel had gone out to all nations. The gospel of the kingdom will be preached once again in the tribulation right before the King comes with the kingdom.
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That's not what Jesus said ole bean.

(Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

(Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

(Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

(Mat 28:19 KJV) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost)

You have the eleven preaching a different gospel to Paul which has I pointed in a post you never responded to was the death and resurrection:

(Acts 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached)

(Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him)

(Acts 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree)

(Acts 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and showed him openly)

You need to quit being dishonest in these feeble attempts at promoting this mid-Actsis of Evil.
 
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EleventhHour said:
I thought followers of Les Feldick believed that the Gospels were only for the Jews, why was he writing to a Gentile?
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He was writing an account of Jesus's earthly ministry to Theo. All the 4 gospels were written after Paul wrote his epistles to the Body of Christ.

After many people claimed that they saw Jesus resurrected, I am sure there will be others who are curious to know who Jesus is and what did he teach throughout his earthly ministry.

Theo could be one of them and thus he asked Luke to write an account.
 
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Guojing said:
He was writing an account of Jesus's earthly ministry to Theo.

After many people claimed that they saw Jesus resurrected, I am sure there will be others who are curious to know who Jesus is and what did he teach throughout his earthly ministry.

Theo could be one of them and thus he asked Luke to write an account.
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Wrong mahjong - gospel means good message/news. For the unbelieving Jews and the templers it was bad news.
 
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azamzimtoti said:
It did - you just don't understand what "the end" refers to.
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Whats the end? Endure to the end of what? The end shall come? What end?

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
 
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John146 said:
Please explain with Scripture concerning this end to cone.
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This is not the place for discussing "the end" - you can't even get the gospel right. What I would post would fly right over your head as do all the posts made against your feeble theology.
 
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azamzimtoti said:
This is not the place for discussing "the end" - you can't even get the gospel right. What I would post would fly right over your head as do all the posts made against your feeble theology.
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In other words, you have no idea what the end means in context of Matthew 24.
 
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azamzimtoti said:
Start a thread on it. Like I said this is not about "the end".
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The discussion is about the gospel being preached and Jesus said that when the gospel of the kingdom is preached to all nations the end will come. What’s the end? This is key to understanding the gospel of the kingdom. Paul’s gospel of grace had been preached to all nations. Obviously the two are different messages.
 
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Guojing said:
He was writing an account of Jesus's earthly ministry to Theo. All the 4 gospels were written after Paul wrote his epistles to the Body of Christ.

After many people claimed that they saw Jesus resurrected, I am sure there will be others who are curious to know who Jesus is and what did he teach throughout his earthly ministry.

Theo could be one of them and thus he asked Luke to write an account.
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Sure that makes sense....

So he was writing to a gentile about the gospel for the Jews, after the first supposed gospel for the Jews has been withdrawn, since it was after the end of Acts ..... because they just happened to be curious. :cautious:

This is more than a person who is curious..

"So that you might know the exact truth about the things you have been taught" (Luke 1:4).

Your lack of ability to reason critically reminds me of when I attempt to speak to JW's who come to my door.

Coached and trained responses.
 
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