One of the most clueless and foolish posts ever. You just stated one doesn’t need to know the gospel to preach it. Unreal. You need to repent.
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I forgot nothing deceiver.....You said...NONE OF THEM BELIEVED HE SHOULD DIE.....I said....QUOTE A VERSE THAT SAYS....NONE OF THEM BELIEVED HE SHOULD DIE!
You all see how this clown operates.....he makes a blanket statement, attributes words to the apostles they did NOT SAY, THEN embellishes and or CHANGES the context to try and cover or smooth over being nailed.....!
Listen Gong Show.....this is why you are unbelievable and false in the dogma you peddle!
Out of context and totally misrepresented:
(Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord)
(Acts 4:4 Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.)
So you can't just time shift this into a future slot.
What applied to the Jews he's speaking to (metanoia) applied to the Gentiles when they were brought in later through Peter and Paul.
Your mind is already fixed on this so whatever scripture quotes I used, you will just continue to unleash your favorite insults.
Acts 3:19 literally says in the past tense, Israel's sins of rejecting and crucifying their Messiah will be forgiven once the "time of refreshing arrives".
If you don't want to read it literally, that is your choice.
I'm reading it literally and in the full context of Peter's speech. You are trying to muddy the picture.
How can they be forgiven their crucifying of Christ? They are all dead and buried without any repentance. Your arguments are illogical.
My bible is clear....one must be born again from above to spiritually discern the word of God.........and what he said, absolutely contradicts the truth given by a man INSPIRED in the Corinthian letter and numerous other books as well!!!
17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Peter is telling national Israel that because they did it in ignorance, recall Jesus's prayer at the cross for God to forgive Israel because they know not what they do, if they are willing to repent and be baptized, even this sin could be blotted out.
It was an offer to national Israel.
You can forget trying to say the above pal...ARE YOU THAT DENSE to not grasp that EVERYONE reading this thread can see YOU MADE a blanket STATEMENT and SAID....NONE OF THE 12 BELIEVED HE SHOULD DIE.....I asked for you to quote a verse that says that...NONE SAY THAT...instead of just admitting error you double down and then TRY TO SAY THAT MY MIND IS MADE UP AND NOTHING YOU SAY WILL CHANGE MY KIND....QUOTE A VERSE that SAYS....None of them BELIEVED HE SHOULD DIE.....that would change my mind....but you know what, you cannot do it because THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY IT.....and you are too proud TO ADMIT that you embellished the word of GOD to try and prove your unbiblical point....
ZERO CREDIBILITY!!!!
Peter was widely acknowledged in the 4 gospels as the spokesman for all the other 11 apostles. The gospel accounts and even the first half of Acts, for such reasons, choose to focus mainly on what he said and did.
The obvious implication for us readers is that whatever Peter believed and said at those times is representative for all of the 12.
But if you want to split hair like that, I am not going to play this game with you. You are free to hold a view that only Peter did not believe, but the rest did.
Why did you leave out the full context:
(Acts 4:4 Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.)
Ignorance yes, but these 5000 repented. There is no salvation for the rest of them:
(Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you)
(Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.)
You've got them all saved for a worse crime than unbelief, may as well grant a pass of all those in unbelief and go with universal salvation.
Come on in Hitler - you did it in ignorance.
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Yeah, I really do not get his view .. not that I want to mind you.
If Israel did repent as in v19, obviously they are "hearing that prophet" right?
If you quote things out of context and questionable understanding you bet for sure you are going to be challenged.