Prophecy, it’s not what most think.
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The KINGDOM is being built up sir through preaching the GOSPEL to the world....but, the work of HIS CHURCH is what HE is BUILDING...and it will not be complete until the last called into the KINGDOM has come into.....HIS KINGDOM....which is being built up now...and is HIS CHURCH...
Please review Ephesians....
Do you understand what CHRIST was saying to those who did not believe who HE was when HE said I do not judge you, Moses will judge...if you had believed MOSES, you would believe ME, for MOSES spoke of ME...
Many make that crucial error in not rightly dividing the meaning of words .
Teaching what a prophet is and what prophecy means and the word apostle should be taught in Sunday school as the ABC's .
Many doctrine are destroyed because the foundation of the word has been removed by those who do seek after a signs and wonders gospel.( future hope) The gospel of the Pharisees with Sadaucesss . Two denominations that put aside their differences so that they could destroy the foundation of faith (sola scriptura)
It seems to support those who seek after signs and wonders as a future or living hope. Wondering or marveling is not having faith. Faith works in a person causing them to believe.
The opposite of faith is not doubt as in marveling or wondering but is unbelief no faith .
its stands to reason that John said marvel not at the greatest possible miracle salvation. Can't trust when a person is wondering. Satan is the god of wonder. No faith needed just marvel by wondering forever and ever..
Christians already have a living hope a new incorruptible body that will be neither male nor female Jew or Gentile.
There is no future prophecy except for the end the last day . Some are looking for a sign that could literally put on their head or hand for instance as part of a false living hope .
Luke 11:29 King James Version And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet
It is represented as chaste virgin using the things seen the temporal to give us his unseen understanding . You could say a she is a representative of the unseen glory to those who do walk by faith the unseen eternal.
The proper prescription for rightly dividing the parables must be applied if we desire to enter His rest in our works.
2 Corinthians 4:18 King James Version While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
No I don't. Why would I need to think Moses only foretold the future in order to believe what Christ says, that Moses wrote of Him and that the student of the Torah who believes what is written in it should recognize and believe Christ as He fulfills it?
Jesus told the experts in the scripture that they should have understood that they were watching prophecy be fulfilled. He told Nicodemus, 'you don't know these things?' and He told John, look at the signs, you should understand who I AM because those things were fulfilling prophecy.
So my point is I do not agree prophecy is 'only' meant to be understood long after it is realized. The wise ought to understand it as it is being fulfilled, if not before
Here's the issue. Only the born again can understand scripture and see the kingdom. Jesus used Nicodemos to show that the teachers were blind unless born again. They had the veil over their eyes blinded by God.
The Gospel that Jesus taught is my Creed!
Not what Paul said, not what the Old Testament reveals, simply what the WORD taught Himself.
Remember, He said about the Father, God is a SPIRIT. and what the WORD taught us can be found in this from the Church Fathers before the Nicene Creed by the pagan Constantine:
God, then, having His own Word internal within His own bowels,
........... begat Him, emitting Him
........... along with His own wisdom before all things.
but the wisdom [Spirit in this instance is Sophia] of God which was in Him, and
........... His holy Word which was always present with Him.
What Christ taught and what this explanation of God (SPIRIT) by the First Church lines up 100%
I don't need your views DAVE-L or someone claiming to be a preacher of the truth WHO HAS NO CLUE WHAT THE HEBREW VERSION WAS ALL ABOUT!
You've turned the HEBREW, God chosen people and His Chosen Peoples Language, into a HERESY by English mistranslation!
So you did not learn one thing from anyone else? Never read a book or heard someone preach? All of that is nothing but a creed.
Of course, but I also compare what they say to the Hebrew. It's why I don't follow preachers using Constantine's Creed because only a portion lines up. The rest is made up according to personal belief.
In my view, the Holy Spirit inspired writers what we are to use to describe God and that comes directly from God.
So you don't learn anything by reading books on the bible, or listening to preachers?
This, then?
1 Corinthians 14:22
Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe.
That makes sense. And if the veil is later removed, then we, and they like us, see retrospectively.
I think Nicodemus believed at some point after John 3. Maybe even by the end of the chapter, maybe even when he first came to Christ he just didn't know the breadth of who Jesus is and what Jesus was doing at first.
By the time Christ was crucified, Nicodemus knew that Jesus would need burial spices - so he had them ready, and brought them that very day. So there is one for whom the veil was removed, who did not understand, and then understood, as it happened and before it did.
I have learned their personal beliefs. I have learned how they interpret Scripture. And according to the KJV, they are correct. But to the Hebrew, they are so/so. But when you take key Hebrew words and define them by your own thinking, rather than how the Holy Spirit intended them to mean, how the Hebrew people knew and understood them to be, you are going to be in error.
Where does Scripture tell you that the above passage is "the proper prescription for dividing the parables"?
You are saying believers cannot interpret scripture unless they read Hebrew. The Pharisee's aced you in Hebrew and look at the mess they made of it. God blinded them so they could not understand and be saved. Yet people think they are just great. And take their word over Jesus'.