Not By Works
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You cannot reason with a religionist that believes in his mind he keeps the law and or that the law justifies before God...man can keep all but one of the 613 laws and is deemed guilty before God...and seeing how the bible says clearly...ALL MEN are liars, none good no not one, not a just man upon the earth that does good and sins not, he like the Pharisee of old, will ride his supposed law keeping cafe blend false gospel right to the pit!
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Well I was replying to another who was distinguishing between gentiles and Israel when you come in.
But I think you are disagreeing with the implication that Jesus was only sent to Israel in his first coming? Romans 15:8
There were only 2 exceptions where Jesus blessed gentiles but even then, they were not preached the gospel of the kingdom
But I think you are disagreeing with the implication that Jesus was only sent to Israel in his first coming? Romans 15:8
There were only 2 exceptions where Jesus blessed gentiles but even then, they were not preached the gospel of the kingdom
The gospel of the kingdom was not about Jesus death burial and resurrection.
you could preach that without that understanding
Are you aware that Peter rebuked Jesus for telling them he had to die? He even denied Christ 3 times. Does that behaviour indicate an understanding of 1 cor 15:1-4,
None of the 12 were campiing outside the tomb counting down to his resurrection
you could preach that without that understanding
Are you aware that Peter rebuked Jesus for telling them he had to die? He even denied Christ 3 times. Does that behaviour indicate an understanding of 1 cor 15:1-4,
None of the 12 were campiing outside the tomb counting down to his resurrection
1 Peter 3:20 (GWT)
20 They are like those who disobeyed long ago in the days of Noah when God waited patiently while Noah built the ship. In this ship a few people—eight in all—were saved by water.
Water Baptism does not SAVE YOU.
Spiritual Baptism where the HOLY SPIRIT immersed (BAPTIZED) into the spiritual BODY OF CHRIST, is the Baptizism that Saves you the VERY moment YOU Genuinely BELIEVED.
1 Corinthians 12:13 (GWT)
13 By one Spirit we were all baptized into one body.
Whether we are Jewish or Greek, slave or free, God gave all of us one Spirit to drink.
Yes, water baptism is no longer required under the Gospel of Grace.
That does not mean it was not required for the Jews under the Gospel of the Kingdom. The nation was supposed to be a kingdom of priests (Exodus 19:4-6).
Every Jew had to be water baptized because the OT timetable was that Israel was to be saved first, before they can reach out to Gentile nations (Zechariah 8:20-23)
That does not mean it was not required for the Jews under the Gospel of the Kingdom. The nation was supposed to be a kingdom of priests (Exodus 19:4-6).
Every Jew had to be water baptized because the OT timetable was that Israel was to be saved first, before they can reach out to Gentile nations (Zechariah 8:20-23)
With all due respect you came to this thread to make a point as I recall.... so why did you make your statement.. to see if it would go unchallenged?
With regards to this ....
A person has no ability to remove the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, then ultimately it requires and act of God which you agree cannot happen
So explain to me how this works because I see contradiction myself.
With regards to this ....
A person has no ability to remove the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, then ultimately it requires and act of God which you agree cannot happen
So explain to me how this works because I see contradiction myself.
To answer your question, there is no contradiction. 1 Cor 15:46 teaches us that God first gave us these pictures in the natural to understand and reveal the spiritual. Things like the feast days and the tabernacle are shadows of what is happening in the spirit. The map of the tabernacle is basically the same map we see in Revelation of the throne room. So Abba Father first revealed himself in the physical before He revealed the Spiritual (NT). But the two will be the same.
In Exodus 13:20-22 God said that the pillar of cloud and fire never departed from Israel. So He was in their presence all the time. The Hebrew word mush, is being translated as “He took not away” and the Hebrew picture is not God following His children or walking next to them, it is God physically putting His hand on us to comfort us and guide us. When we are in relationship with our King, He will guide us. The Bible teaches us God speaks with us every day. If I don’t hear His voice, who’s fault is it? Why are so many Christians not hearing His voice today? He is still the same God that discussed things with Moses face to face.
One thing we have to remember is that God cannot change and cannot go back on His word. So if He said something will happen when we do something, it is true and will happen. God takes covenant very serious and one example is when Judah gave a promise to his dad to protect Benjamin when they visit Pharaoh, God was true to that promise when the tribes split hundreds of years later when He divorced Israel. The two tribes that stayed together “by chance” were Judah and Benjamin.
When we understand this we can see that when we get to a place where we say “I am not a Christian anymore, I had enough” God will give us a bill of divorce just like He did with Israel. It is still the same God. The only way Satan can get a foothold is when we are outside the guidelines of God’s word.
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I continued ...
Do you remember this assertion?
https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4255150
Like I said find where God states he will take away salvation from a saved person. It is not about "leaving" it is about "undoing" and that requires God's work and He promises a secure salvation, which is the Gospel, it is secure because it is based on His perfect work.
Your view basically states that our "fallenness" can out do God's grace ....well, IT cannot... because of the New Adam.
So you sir, if your were intellectually honest would see a glaring contradiction.
As well, our position on works is this not what you posted, but that works/change will pour out of a believer based on relationship not performance.
Do you remember this assertion?
https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4255150
Like I said find where God states he will take away salvation from a saved person. It is not about "leaving" it is about "undoing" and that requires God's work and He promises a secure salvation, which is the Gospel, it is secure because it is based on His perfect work.
Your view basically states that our "fallenness" can out do God's grace ....well, IT cannot... because of the New Adam.
So you sir, if your were intellectually honest would see a glaring contradiction.
As well, our position on works is this not what you posted, but that works/change will pour out of a believer based on relationship not performance.
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