Women Equality

[Truth7t7]

1 Tim 2:12

I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

I agree 100%

God hasn't attended the global 21st century metoo feminist convention.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I guess she wore the pants in that family if she was allowed to wear such clothing. In reality such a woman does not exist and it would not be wise for a single man contemplating marriage to allow that proverb to set the bar in regards to the standards for a suitable wife.

If the women didn't exist then why would the writer mention it? But this verse out of the what they call the proverbs 31 women. The ch 31 speaks very highly for the women and some may feel they do not exist. But in many ways I would rank my wife just as high.

 

[tourist]

If the women didn't exist then why would the writer mention it? But this verse out of the what they call the proverbs 31 women. The ch 31 speaks very highly for the women and some may feel they do not exist. But in many ways I would rank my wife just as high.

The proverb lists quite a few traits that a woman of God should possess. I believe that the woman described is a composite character and not necessarily a single woman processing all of the traits portrayed in that proverb. I have an extremely high regard for my wife as well.

 

[oldethennew]

I guess she wore the pants in that family if she was allowed to wear such clothing. In reality such a woman does not exist and it would not be wise for a single man contemplating marriage to allow that proverb to set the bar in regards to the standards for a suitable wife.

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Tourist, we only gave you a 'like' because we have a response to your post and didn't know if you would read it without
a way to bring it to your attention...
and so, I say, 'hub' to you,

'my wife, many times in our relationship has been a much better business person that myself in several areas -
and, I was very grateful for it, because where I was lacking, she picked me up and I benefited because
we both prospered./..The simple fact was, is that she was better at buying and selling than I was, etc...
she has certainly, many, many, times, fulfilled this Godly principle in Proverbs 31:16.

we both have our strengths and weaknesses in our marriage, but God has joined us together to grow together
and help each other overcome what ever obstacles occur'...

1COR. 1:10.
Now I beseech you, brethren, by The Name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the 'same thing',
and that there be no divisions among you; but that you be perfectly joined together
in 'the same mind and in the same judgment'.

does this come easy??? NO, we have to dedicate our lives to God forever and if He has 'truly-joined' us together,
this becomes a priority, that we have a unified marriage in serving Him with all of our heart-soul-mind'...

 

[tourist]

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Tourist, we only gave you a 'like' because we have a response to your post and didn't know if you would read it without
a way to bring it to your attention...
and so, I say, 'hub' to you,

'my wife, many times in our relationship has been a much better business person that myself in several areas -
and, I was very grateful for it, because where I was lacking, she picked me up and I benefited because
we both prospered./..The simple fact was, is that she was better at buying and selling than I was, etc...
she has certainly, many, many, times, fulfilled this Godly principle in Proverbs 31:16.

we both have our strengths and weaknesses in our marriage, but God has joined us together to grow together
and help each other overcome what ever obstacles occur'...

1COR. 1:10.
Now I beseech you, brethren, by The Name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the 'same thing',
and that there be no divisions among you; but that you be perfectly joined together
in 'the same mind and in the same judgment'.

does this come easy??? NO, we have to dedicate our lives to God forever and if He has 'truly-joined' us together,
this becomes a priority, that we have a unified marriage in serving Him with all of our heart-soul-mind'...

What God has joined together let no man put asunder. I would say that this is true in your marriage. You are right in saying that God joined the both of you together for a purpose and that purpose was to grow together and help each other overcome the obstacles that most married couples face. The verse of 1Cor 1:10 that you provided is most appropriate.

 

[oldethennew]

Thank you sweetheart,
for your humility and understanding and love...

 

[tourist]

Thank you sweetheart,
for your humility and understanding and love...

You are most welcome.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

The proverb lists quite a few traits that a woman of God should possess. I believe that the woman described is a composite character and not necessarily a single woman processing all of the traits portrayed in that proverb. I have an extremely high regard for my wife as well.

I dont think it said anything about her being single. It just simply to me was quite a comparison to the idea that women once was criticized for working and holding property.

 

[Hungry]

I guess she wore the pants in that family if she was allowed to wear such clothing. In reality such a woman does not exist and it would not be wise for a single man contemplating marriage to allow that proverb to set the bar in regards to the standards for a suitable wife.

If there were pants in that family she would have made them...out of her own fabric. She didn’t only “make the bed”, she made the bedspread. She got up before dawn to make breakfast for the family and the maidservants. Clearly this was all before social media. You might as well have included in this Proverb, “She rides her unicorn to the beer store, and always remembers the empties. She rotates the tires in yoga pants and opens the pickles with ease. No centipede can escape her high heel and she returns the toilette seat to its proper elevated position.”

I think there’s a better chance of finding Bigfoot.

 

[tourist]

If there were pants in that family she would have made them...out of her own fabric. She didn’t only “make the bed”, she made the bedspread. She got up before dawn to make breakfast for the family and the maidservants. Clearly this was all before social media. You might as well have included in this Proverb, “She rides her unicorn to the beer store, and always remembers the empties. She rotates the tires in yoga pants and opens the pickles with ease. No centipede can escape her high heel and she returns the toilette seat to its proper elevated position.”

I think there’s a better chance of finding Bigfoot.

...or winning the lottery.

 

[tourist]

If there were pants in that family she would have made them...out of her own fabric. She didn’t only “make the bed”, she made the bedspread. She got up before dawn to make breakfast for the family and the maidservants. Clearly this was all before social media. You might as well have included in this Proverb, “She rides her unicorn to the beer store, and always remembers the empties. She rotates the tires in yoga pants and opens the pickles with ease. No centipede can escape her high heel and she returns the toilette seat to its proper elevated position.”

I think there’s a better chance of finding Bigfoot.

In some revisions it states that "She rides the unicorn to the beer store with her hair flowing thusly about...". Wait, I think that is actually referring to the Song of Solomon. It's probably meant to be interpreted figuratively though.

 

[Hungry]

In some revisions it states that "She rides the unicorn to the beer store with her hair flowing thusly about...". Wait, I think that is actually referring to the Song of Solomon. It's probably meant to be interpreted figuratively though.

When I was wrote about riding the unicorn I wondered who is going to put a twist on this? Thanks for satisfying that curiosity.

 

[GaryA]

It's the same question for Christian men. Your comment reveals your sexism.

Of course the same question applies to men fulfilling the role that God intends for them. However, since this thread is about women - relative to men - his point is well made and is not sexist.

He is putting to the point that Christian women should want to fulfill the role that God intends for them - regardless of how it aligns with worldly ideas about 'equality'.

And, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It is Biblical.

If he denies the counterpart to the proposition, then - that is different!

Because, that would not be Biblical.

But, contrary to what some would like to believe, making either proposition without the other is still valid.

And, the two don't always have to be stated together so as to bow down and worship political correctness.

 

[1christian1]

Of course the same question applies to men fulfilling the role that God intends for them. However, since this thread is about women - relative to men - his point is well made and is not sexist.

He is putting to the point that Christian women should want to fulfill the role that God intends for them - regardless of how it aligns with worldly ideas about 'equality'.

And, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It is Biblical.

If he denies the counterpart to the proposition, then - that is different!

Because, that would not be Biblical.

But, contrary to what some would like to believe, making either proposition without the other is still valid.

And, the two don't always have to be stated together so as to bow down and worship political correctness.

What it comes down to really is both having love and respect for one another, right? If you are married, that is a given.

 

[GaryA]

Scripture speaks to any generation. Modern simply changes the time period. So again through a Biblical worldview how would a modern society need to change within the topic of women's equality.

Is it good, need change, completely bad, or something else. Explain how, why, and what would you do to change it if need be.

The very first thing a modern society would have to do is - to define it, to look at it, to deal with it - in the same exact way the Bible does.

That is the Biblical worldview.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

The very first thing a modern society would have to do is - to define it, to look at it, to deal with it - in the same exact way the Bible does.

That is the Biblical worldview.

So what would need to change in society once you have defined, examined, and decided something had to change?

 

[kaylagrl]

I agree those are signs of emotional abuse. I looked it up before from a legal standpoint. If my wife didn’t like what I was saying she would call it emotional abuse. I did some research to (in)validate her claim. What I found stated basically what I am reporting. Just because she didn’t like what I was saying isn’t abuse, even if it caused her emotional pain.

There are laws in many states that deal with emotional abuse. My point was the right or wrong of it within a Christian marriage, not in a legal sense. It is abuse, there is such a thing as emotional abuse. Just because the laws are now catching up on it and recognizing it doesn't make it any less wrong and harmful.

If I said anything to intentionally cause pain because I was upset with her that is abuse.

We would agree on that point.

Blame as you listed is a sign. If my wife runs up the credit cards on ridiculous unnecessary purchases and it causes economic stress, I can tell her it’s her fault. Is that abuse? If she feels guilty because of it (listed), is that abuse?

We are not talking about a tiff in a marriage, I made that clear. We are talking about constant blame, continual, nothing can be done right in the spouses eyes. That is abuse.

If I yell at her because she tries to argue it’s not her fault (listed),

Same as I pointed out above and in my other post. We are not talking about marital tiffs and disagreements. We are talking about continual yelling to the point where you are intimidating your spouse.

then I take her off the credit account (withhold) and “control” the finances is that abuse?

I think you know what I'm about to say... But I would think most women would have their own account and money this day in age. I personally don't but in my marriage my husband is the one who overspends. Go figure.

The point is that because of this list my wife may “feel” abused. It’s all just words anyways. Abuse has become some buzzword people throw around.

No actually there is such a thing as emotional abuse, it's recognized in many states under the law. But as a Christian it is wrong to emotionally abuse your partner. I think you may need to read more to understand better what it actually is.

 

[GaryA]

I think abusive is not the right word, but she may become frustrated and may take out her anger at him.

If a husband becomes frustrated and takes out his anger at/on his wife - would you use the word 'abuse' in that scenario?

 

[presidente]

It would be rather humorous if she turned tables on him and used the same standard: "If you ain't an elder at the gate, you ain't good enough fo' me!"

Old single men might like that.

 

[Angela53510]

If the women didn't exist then why would the writer mention it? But this verse out of the what they call the proverbs 31 women. The ch 31 speaks very highly for the women and some may feel they do not exist. But in many ways I would rank my wife just as high.

You realize that Proverbs are not narratives or history, right? They are witty statements, to instruct young men on how to live and be righteous before God.

The Proverbs 31 woman has no name, therefore, she is not real. I have preached on this, and she is a composite of the ideal woman. It has been calculated a woman would need a 32 hour day, to barely keep up with all those tasks.

The most important part of Proverbs 31:30:
"Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting;
but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised."

This is exactly what is important to God for a man:
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom;" Psalm 111:10

The Prov 31 woman is an ideal, that no woman can achieve, except the most important thing is that she fears the Lord!