Why Universalism is a lie.

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LW97

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Are there any who believe in what is called Universal Salvation? I hate to disappoint you, but there is ZERO support in the Bible for such a doctrine.

"Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. " Luke 13:23-24
 
allsaved

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ln97,
LW97,
Please stop looking for an argument and open your heart to search for truth. It might be that you don't already know everything. I was, for 60 years, a conservative fundamentamist Christian, like you.The Word of God proclaims His awesome love for every soul and His plan to accomplish His purpose. The promise and purpose of God is to bring all things to unity with Himself through and to the glory of His son, Jesus Christ. God is love, He is merciful, forgiving and kind. If your beliefs are in eternal hell, damnation, you are ignoring the truth about your God.





Christians often when asked profess our belief saying, “I believe in the Bible.” or “ “I believe in God.” or “ I believe in Jesus.” Such confessions are good and important, but they only require a yes or no response. Believing in the Bible is an acknowledgement of its existence as the Word of God. But, believing the Bible is much more important. The soul who believes in the Word of God may use it to prove what he or she already believes. The soul that believes the Bible is likely one who turns to it for increased knowledge and understanding beyond his or her present knowledge and understanding with a willingness to accept its truth. The soul that believes the Word of God seeks truth not proof. In order for a soul to accept the truth it is necessary for that soul to believe the God who gave it. Through His word our God has given us a description of himself that must be understood and in harmony with the truth about Him.


1 Timothy 4:10 New International Version (NIV)
10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

Romans 5:16 New International Version (NIV)
16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

1 Corinthians 15:22 New International Version (NIV)
22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Philippians 2:9-11 New International Version (NIV)
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Micah 7:18 New International Version (NIV)
18 Who is a God like you,
who pardons sin and forgives the transgression
of the remnant of his inheritance?
You do not stay angry forever
but delight to show mercy.

1 Corinthians 3:12-15 New International Version (NIV)
12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

God sent Jesus to save the world. Jesus finished the work God sent him to do.
1 John 4:14 New International Version (NIV)
14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
John 17:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Romans 5:16 New International Version (NIV)
16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

1 Corinthians 15:22 New International Version (NIV)
22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Philippians 2:9-11 New International Version (NIV)
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
 
Dino246

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allsaved said:
ln97,
LW97,
Please stop looking for an argument and open your heart to search for truth. It might be that you don't already know everything. I was, for 60 years, a conservative fundamentamist Christian, like you.The Word of God proclaims His awesome love for every soul and His plan to accomplish His purpose. The promise and purpose of God is to bring all things to unity with Himself through and to the glory of His son, Jesus Christ. God is love, He is merciful, forgiving and kind. If your beliefs are in eternal hell, damnation, you are ignoring the truth about your God.





Christians often when asked profess our belief saying, “I believe in the Bible.” or “ “I believe in God.” or “ I believe in Jesus.” Such confessions are good and important, but they only require a yes or no response. Believing in the Bible is an acknowledgement of its existence as the Word of God. But, believing the Bible is much more important. The soul who believes in the Word of God may use it to prove what he or she already believes. The soul that believes the Bible is likely one who turns to it for increased knowledge and understanding beyond his or her present knowledge and understanding with a willingness to accept its truth. The soul that believes the Word of God seeks truth not proof. In order for a soul to accept the truth it is necessary for that soul to believe the God who gave it. Through His word our God has given us a description of himself that must be understood and in harmony with the truth about Him.


1 Timothy 4:10 New International Version (NIV)
10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

Romans 5:16 New International Version (NIV)
16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

1 Corinthians 15:22 New International Version (NIV)
22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Philippians 2:9-11 New International Version (NIV)
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Micah 7:18 New International Version (NIV)
18 Who is a God like you,
who pardons sin and forgives the transgression
of the remnant of his inheritance?
You do not stay angry forever
but delight to show mercy.

1 Corinthians 3:12-15 New International Version (NIV)
12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

God sent Jesus to save the world. Jesus finished the work God sent him to do.
1 John 4:14 New International Version (NIV)
14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
John 17:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Romans 5:16 New International Version (NIV)
16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

1 Corinthians 15:22 New International Version (NIV)
22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Philippians 2:9-11 New International Version (NIV)
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
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You are likely to last about five minutes around here with your universalist silliness before you're sent packing. In that time, why don't you present the verses that contradict your view and deal honestly with them, instead of cherry-picking the ones that supposedly support it. I'm sure you know them.
 
posthuman

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allsaved said:
ln97,
LW97,
Please stop looking for an argument and open your heart to search for truth. It might be that you don't already know everything. I was, for 60 years, a conservative fundamentamist Christian, like you.The Word of God proclaims His awesome love for every soul and His plan to accomplish His purpose. The promise and purpose of God is to bring all things to unity with Himself through and to the glory of His son, Jesus Christ. God is love, He is merciful, forgiving and kind. If your beliefs are in eternal hell, damnation, you are ignoring the truth about your God.





Christians often when asked profess our belief saying, “I believe in the Bible.” or “ “I believe in God.” or “ I believe in Jesus.” Such confessions are good and important, but they only require a yes or no response. Believing in the Bible is an acknowledgement of its existence as the Word of God. But, believing the Bible is much more important. The soul who believes in the Word of God may use it to prove what he or she already believes. The soul that believes the Bible is likely one who turns to it for increased knowledge and understanding beyond his or her present knowledge and understanding with a willingness to accept its truth. The soul that believes the Word of God seeks truth not proof. In order for a soul to accept the truth it is necessary for that soul to believe the God who gave it. Through His word our God has given us a description of himself that must be understood and in harmony with the truth about Him.


1 Timothy 4:10 New International Version (NIV)
10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

Romans 5:16 New International Version (NIV)
16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

1 Corinthians 15:22 New International Version (NIV)
22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Philippians 2:9-11 New International Version (NIV)
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Micah 7:18 New International Version (NIV)
18 Who is a God like you,
who pardons sin and forgives the transgression
of the remnant of his inheritance?
You do not stay angry forever
but delight to show mercy.

1 Corinthians 3:12-15 New International Version (NIV)
12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

God sent Jesus to save the world. Jesus finished the work God sent him to do.
1 John 4:14 New International Version (NIV)
14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
John 17:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Romans 5:16 New International Version (NIV)
16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

1 Corinthians 15:22 New International Version (NIV)
22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Philippians 2:9-11 New International Version (NIV)
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
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hmm maybe i should abandon my faith and devote myself to hedonism for my remaining meaningless life.

i mean, if everyone is saved, what ultimate difference does it make? :unsure:
none whatsoever, right?










on the other hand maybe you are wrong. maybe something actually does matter.
 
Lightskin

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Universalism is true regarding one aspect of life; we’re all sinners. Praise God everyone who believes in Jesus Christ is saved by God’s grace.
 
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LW97 said:
Are there any who believe in what is called Universal Salvation? I hate to disappoint you, but there is ZERO support in the Bible for such a doctrine.

"Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. " Luke 13:23-24
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Yep, universal salvation is big Lie
 
p_rehbein

p_rehbein

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Definition of universalism

1often capitalized
a: a theological doctrine that all human beings will eventually be saved
b: the principles and practices of a liberal Christian denomination founded in the 18th century originally to uphold belief in universal salvation and now united with Unitarianism
2: something that is universal in scope
3: the state of being universal : UNIVERSALITY

If your still confused, here................

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un·truth | \ ˌən-ˈtrüth , ˈən-ˌtrüth \
Definition of untruth

1archaic : DISLOYALTY
2: lack of truthfulness : FALSITY
3: something that is untrue : FALSEHOOD

So.....now you have a better understanding of "universalism"
 
posthuman

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allsaved said:
Through His word our God has given us a description of himself that must be understood and in harmony with the truth about Him.
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this part, yes

The LORD watches over all who love Him, but all the wicked He will destroy.​
(Psalm 145:20)​
 
Dave-L

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allsaved said:
ln97,
LW97,
Please stop looking for an argument and open your heart to search for truth. It might be that you don't already know everything. I was, for 60 years, a conservative fundamentamist Christian, like you.The Word of God proclaims His awesome love for every soul and His plan to accomplish His purpose. The promise and purpose of God is to bring all things to unity with Himself through and to the glory of His son, Jesus Christ. God is love, He is merciful, forgiving and kind. If your beliefs are in eternal hell, damnation, you are ignoring the truth about your God.





Christians often when asked profess our belief saying, “I believe in the Bible.” or “ “I believe in God.” or “ I believe in Jesus.” Such confessions are good and important, but they only require a yes or no response. Believing in the Bible is an acknowledgement of its existence as the Word of God. But, believing the Bible is much more important. The soul who believes in the Word of God may use it to prove what he or she already believes. The soul that believes the Bible is likely one who turns to it for increased knowledge and understanding beyond his or her present knowledge and understanding with a willingness to accept its truth. The soul that believes the Word of God seeks truth not proof. In order for a soul to accept the truth it is necessary for that soul to believe the God who gave it. Through His word our God has given us a description of himself that must be understood and in harmony with the truth about Him.


1 Timothy 4:10 New International Version (NIV)
10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

Romans 5:16 New International Version (NIV)
16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

1 Corinthians 15:22 New International Version (NIV)
22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Philippians 2:9-11 New International Version (NIV)
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Micah 7:18 New International Version (NIV)
18 Who is a God like you,
who pardons sin and forgives the transgression
of the remnant of his inheritance?
You do not stay angry forever
but delight to show mercy.

1 Corinthians 3:12-15 New International Version (NIV)
12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

God sent Jesus to save the world. Jesus finished the work God sent him to do.
1 John 4:14 New International Version (NIV)
14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
John 17:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Romans 5:16 New International Version (NIV)
16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

1 Corinthians 15:22 New International Version (NIV)
22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Philippians 2:9-11 New International Version (NIV)
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
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We have many "designer" Jesuses today. DIY and "Save". But as the OP says, few there be that find it.
 
RevelationMan

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LW97 said:
Are there any who believe in what is called Universal Salvation? I hate to disappoint you, but there is ZERO support in the Bible for such a doctrine.

"Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. " Luke 13:23-24
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Not everyone will make it to the "wedding supper of the Lamb" but everyone will make it to the "feast of God" (see Rev 19:17-18). Also, when the one who is "like a son of man" harvests the earth everyone is transferred to a saving place which is safe from the old earth which is going to be destroyed (see Rev 14:14-16). Check out this video which shows how all will be saved from the destruction of the earth but not all will saved to the wedding supper of the Lamb. The inhabitants of the earth who go through the judgement of God are just like robots. They are spiritually dead and only bodies of the flesh remain who follow basic human instincts. Just like a piece of wood no spiritual life at all (see the video below).

http://mobilelaz.com/judgementday/thedayofthelord.mp4

http://mobilelaz.com/judgementday/fleshspirit.mp4
 
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Just an fyi ..... the original poster is no longer a member.
 
Magenta

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posthuman said:
this part, yes

The LORD watches over all who love Him, but all the wicked He will destroy.​
(Psalm 145:20)​
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How many believe the wicked will be destroyed? Many believe the unsaved will be consciously tormented and tortured for an eternity... by a loving, just, and merciful God Who (according to staunch Calvinists) did not even call all to Him to be allowed to make a choice for which that failure earns them such a punishment.
 
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Magenta said:
How many believe the wicked will be destroyed? Many believe the unsaved will be consciously tormented and tortured for an eternity... by a loving, just, and merciful God Who (according to staunch Calvinists) did not even call all to Him to be allowed to make a choice for which that failure earns them such a punishment.
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The wicked will be destroyed but the evil part of man will be separated from the good part of man and the good saved and the evil destroyed as demonstrated in my previous post.
 
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Seems like if the OP was no longer a member the status would be listed as 'Guest". Regardless, the topic of the OP is still relevant.
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It does not always show that way... "Guest" is given most often when a person requests that there membership be removed.

If you click on his profile you will read "user's profile not available"...
 
Magenta

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EleventhHour said:
Just an fyi ..... the original poster is no longer a member.
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They have not posted for a while but they are not a guest nor banned, so it would seem they can return as an active member at will. Saying they are no longer a member simply because they have been inactive/logged out for a while does not even necessarily mean they have not been present. Profile not being available for viewing can mean it was set to private.
 
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They have not posted for a while but they are not a guest nor banned, so it would seem hey can return as an active member at will. Saying they are no longer a member simply because they have been inactive/signed in for a while does not even necessarily mean they have not been present. Profile not being available for viewing can mean it was set to private.
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If it is private it typically states...... "this member limits who can view their profile...

I know a few people who were not given the "banned" but had privileges revoked (user's profile no longer available) and came back using a different email address.
"banned' not used as much anymore but people have in fact lost the ability to sign in ......but whatever you say.
 
Magenta

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posthuman said:
hmm maybe i should abandon my faith and devote myself to hedonism for my remaining meaningless life.

i mean, if everyone is saved, what ultimate difference does it make? :unsure:
none whatsoever, right?

on the other hand maybe you are wrong. maybe something actually does matter.
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Dearest post, please excuse me, but how would universalism make your life meaningless?

That looks like a logical fallacy :unsure: Non sequitur ;)
 
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EleventhHour said:
If it is private it typically states...... "this member limits who can view their profile...

I know a few people who were not given the "banned" but had privileges revoked (user's profile no longer available) and came back using a different email address.
"banned' not used as much anymore but people have in fact lost the ability to sign in ......but whatever you say.
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Whatever I say, eh? Your repeated deceitfulness toward me is well noted.
 
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