Antichrist Today?

[Dave-L]

Antichrist Today?

The first written history suggests Arnulf, the archbishop of Reims in the 10th century identified the Papacy as the Antichrist. Later Joachim of Fiore in the 12th century preached the Papacy was the Antichrist. This led to the martyrdom of many Albigenses, Anabaptists, and others who in part embraced his views. And the archbishop Eberhard II in 1240 also related the papacy to the Antichrist. Synopsis of the End Times; A look at the popular beliefs of today by Mike Morrill.

All the Reformers believed the Papacy is the Anarchist and some Lutheran and many Reformed creeds state this boldly.

What about the mark of the beast? Antichrist sitting in the Temple of God? The Jews?

Paul says; He would be the “[Man of sin] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in [Greek = as] the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” (2 Thessalonians 2:4) (KJV 1900)

Augustine 354 – 430 first speculated about the Antichrist saying; “Antichrist means not the prince himself alone, but his whole body, that is, the mass of men who adhere to him, along with him their prince; and they also think that we should render the Greek more exactly were we to read, not “in the temple of God,” but “for” or “as the temple of God,” as if he himself were the temple of God, the Church.1405”

NPNF1-02. St. Augustine’s City of God and Christian Doctrine - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

So in his estimation, the man of sin would sit as the temple of God more so than in it. And that Christendom is the Temple of God in the New Testament.

Even if we translate Paul as saying in the temple, the meaning remains the same.

After centuries of bloodshed, Napoleon’s general Berthier locked the Pope away where he died in prison in 1799. But in 1929 the Lateran Treaty recognized Vatican City as an independent state under the sovereignty of the Holy See. So he’s back. But if the Papacy is the Antichrist, what is he doing today?

Simply stated, he’s probably in your church today through his principle doctrines even though homogenized for consumption by many Evangelicals and non-Reformed groups.

How so? Two of the most popular doctrines in churches today come from the Papacy and the Jesuits. Namely the doctrine of free will which is the bedrock of sacramental salvation. And through the Arminian free-will gospel. And the Jesuits rule the minds of many through Dispensationalism.

The Jesuits created a future Antichrist based on a gap they inserted between Daniel’s 69th and 70th weeks. This turned Jesus who fulfilled the prophecy into a future Antichrist. In doing so, they undermined the Reformers' claims about the Papacy being Antichrist. If the Antichrist is yet to come, then it cannot be the Pope. This found its way into what we call Dispensationalism today.

As far as free will, In the Catholic sense, free will makes the sacraments available to all who choose to save themselves through them. In the Evangelical sense, free will makes salvation available to any who choose to obey the gospel. But in neither sense does obedience earn salvation. Salvation is a gift of God’s grace that results in obedience to the gospel.

So even in death, and now in his temporarily weakened state, doctrinally, the Papacy still controls the thinking of the vast swath of Christendom.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Antichrist Today?

The first written history suggests Arnulf, the archbishop of Reims in the 10th century identified the Papacy as the Antichrist. Later Joachim of Fiore in the 12th century preached the Papacy was the Antichrist. This led to the martyrdom of many Albigenses, Anabaptists, and others who in part embraced his views. And the archbishop Eberhard II in 1240 also related the papacy to the Antichrist. Synopsis of the End Times; A look at the popular beliefs of today by Mike Morrill.

All the Reformers believed the Papacy is the Anarchist and some Lutheran and many Reformed creeds state this boldly.

What about the mark of the beast? Antichrist sitting in the Temple of God? The Jews?

Paul says; He would be the “[Man of sin] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in [Greek = as] the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” (2 Thessalonians 2:4) (KJV 1900)

Augustine 354 – 430 first speculated about the Antichrist saying; “Antichrist means not the prince himself alone, but his whole body, that is, the mass of men who adhere to him, along with him their prince; and they also think that we should render the Greek more exactly were we to read, not “in the temple of God,” but “for” or “as the temple of God,” as if he himself were the temple of God, the Church.1405”

NPNF1-02. St. Augustine’s City of God and Christian Doctrine - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

So in his estimation, the man of sin would sit as the temple of God more so than in it. And that Christendom is the Temple of God in the New Testament.

Even if we translate Paul as saying in the temple, the meaning remains the same.

After centuries of bloodshed, Napoleon’s general Berthier locked the Pope away where he died in prison in 1799. But in 1929 the Lateran Treaty recognized Vatican City as an independent state under the sovereignty of the Holy See. So he’s back. But if the Papacy is the Antichrist, what is he doing today?

Simply stated, he’s probably in your church today through his principle doctrines even though homogenized for consumption by many Evangelicals and non-Reformed groups.

How so? Two of the most popular doctrines in churches today come from the Papacy and the Jesuits. Namely the doctrine of free will which is the bedrock of sacramental salvation. And through the Arminian free-will gospel. And the Jesuits rule the minds of many through Dispensationalism.

The Jesuits created a future Antichrist based on a gap they inserted between Daniel’s 69th and 70th weeks. This turned Jesus who fulfilled the prophecy into a future Antichrist. In doing so, they undermined the Reformers' claims about the Papacy being Antichrist. If the Antichrist is yet to come, then it cannot be the Pope. This found its way into what we call Dispensationalism today.

As far as free will, In the Catholic sense, free will makes the sacraments available to all who choose to save themselves through them. In the Evangelical sense, free will makes salvation available to any who choose to obey the gospel. But in neither sense does obedience earn salvation. Salvation is a gift of God’s grace that results in obedience to the gospel.

So even in death, and now in his temporarily weakened state, doctrinally, the Papacy still controls the thinking of the vast swath of Christendom.

Matthew 24:24 New International Version (NIV)
24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

People can speculate but ultimately it will be revealed in the timing of God. Great signs and wonders will occur. He will set himself up as God and will be against Jesus.

As for now I do not see this.

Starting your thread out on information from the 10th century means so far for over 1000 years their predictions are still wrong. And in fact have only gotten weaker due to the great schism and eventually the reformation movement.

How so? Two of the most popular doctrines in churches today come from the Papacy and the Jesuits. Namely the doctrine of free will

This is nonsense as early church fathers spoke on free will within a century of the Apostles ministry. Kinda funny you go from Antichrist to scrutinizing all who dont believe the same as you.

 

[Dave-L]

Matthew 24:24 New International Version (NIV)
24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

People can speculate but ultimately it will be revealed in the timing of God. Great signs and wonders will occur. He will set himself up as God and will be against Jesus.

As for now I do not see this.

Starting your thread out on information from the 10th century means so far for over 1000 years their predictions are still wrong. And in fact have only gotten weaker due to the great schism and eventually the reformation movement.




This is nonsense as early church fathers spoke on free will within a century of the Apostles ministry. Kinda funny you go from Antichrist to scrutinizing all who dont believe the same as you.

Could it be you are not interpreting them biblically?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Could it be you are not interpreting them biblically?

We could ask that the same to all who wasn't directly influenced by the Apostles.

 

[Dave-L]

We could ask that the same to all who wasn't directly influenced by the Apostles.

Have you read the history of the Catholic Church? I can see why they thought the Papacy fit the bible profile of the Antichrist.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Have you read the history of the Catholic Church? I can see why they thought the Papacy fit the bible profile of the Antichrist.

Yes I could see some parallels but I also have modern time to look at too. As of now I dont not see it. If the Pope grows in power, claims to be God, commands everyone to worship him, very openly against Jesus, begins greats wonders and signs that begin to lure the elect away, etc. Then I could feel comfortable making such proclamations.

 

[Dave-L]

Yes I could see some parallels but I also have modern time to look at too. As of now I dont not see it. If the Pope grows in power, claims to be God, commands everyone to worship him, very openly against Jesus, begins greats wonders and signs that begin to lure the elect away, etc. Then I could feel comfortable making such proclamations.

Lying signs and wonders are lies. Can you think of any coming from the Papacy?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Lying signs and wonders are lies. Can you think of any coming from the Papacy?

Huh? What do you define as wonders or signs?

 

[Dave-L]

Huh? What do you define as wonders or signs?

Are you familiar with the Papacy's claim to miracles? It's a big deal with them.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

The Papacy is not the Man of Sin, nor can it be. The prophecy clearly states that the Man of Sin will institute the worship of a religion to a false god that the fathers knew not. In this way we know that the many false religions and the heretical sects that became corrupted and fell away from the one true religion of Christianity, basically all the religions around today, cannot be the final false religion due to them being derived from more ancient religions. Though of course don't take this as an endorsement of any religion that is not Christianity, for they are still evil even if they are not the very last one.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Antichrist Today?

The first written history suggests Arnulf, the archbishop of Reims in the 10th century identified the Papacy as the Antichrist. Later Joachim of Fiore in the 12th century preached the Papacy was the Antichrist. This led to the martyrdom of many Albigenses, Anabaptists, and others who in part embraced his views. And the archbishop Eberhard II in 1240 also related the papacy to the Antichrist. Synopsis of the End Times; A look at the popular beliefs of today by Mike Morrill.

All the Reformers believed the Papacy is the Anarchist and some Lutheran and many Reformed creeds state this boldly.

What about the mark of the beast? Antichrist sitting in the Temple of God? The Jews?

Paul says; He would be the “[Man of sin] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in [Greek = as] the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” (2 Thessalonians 2:4) (KJV 1900)

Augustine 354 – 430 first speculated about the Antichrist saying; “Antichrist means not the prince himself alone, but his whole body, that is, the mass of men who adhere to him, along with him their prince; and they also think that we should render the Greek more exactly were we to read, not “in the temple of God,” but “for” or “as the temple of God,” as if he himself were the temple of God, the Church.1405”

NPNF1-02. St. Augustine’s City of God and Christian Doctrine - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

So in his estimation, the man of sin would sit as the temple of God more so than in it. And that Christendom is the Temple of God in the New Testament.

Even if we translate Paul as saying in the temple, the meaning remains the same.

After centuries of bloodshed, Napoleon’s general Berthier locked the Pope away where he died in prison in 1799. But in 1929 the Lateran Treaty recognized Vatican City as an independent state under the sovereignty of the Holy See. So he’s back. But if the Papacy is the Antichrist, what is he doing today?

Simply stated, he’s probably in your church today through his principle doctrines even though homogenized for consumption by many Evangelicals and non-Reformed groups.

How so? Two of the most popular doctrines in churches today come from the Papacy and the Jesuits. Namely the doctrine of free will which is the bedrock of sacramental salvation. And through the Arminian free-will gospel. And the Jesuits rule the minds of many through Dispensationalism.

The Jesuits created a future Antichrist based on a gap they inserted between Daniel’s 69th and 70th weeks. This turned Jesus who fulfilled the prophecy into a future Antichrist. In doing so, they undermined the Reformers' claims about the Papacy being Antichrist. If the Antichrist is yet to come, then it cannot be the Pope. This found its way into what we call Dispensationalism today.

As far as free will, In the Catholic sense, free will makes the sacraments available to all who choose to save themselves through them. In the Evangelical sense, free will makes salvation available to any who choose to obey the gospel. But in neither sense does obedience earn salvation. Salvation is a gift of God’s grace that results in obedience to the gospel.

So even in death, and now in his temporarily weakened state, doctrinally, the Papacy still controls the thinking of the vast swath of Christendom.

I agree the Papacy is the Man of Lawlessness. I would love to put our two heads together.

However, I must critique your lead off post. You put too much weight on what certain figures in the middle age believed.
Who are these people? And why should anyone be swayed by their opinions?
Saying , "Luther believed this", or "SDA founder proposed that", will not sway anyone.

We who believe and know the Papacy is the Man of Lawlessness must convey in the following manner:
- Through a consistent and rigorous scriptural analysis against the historical facts and documents of the pope and roman catholic church.

In my next post I will make a single detailed case in point by comparing Daniel 11:36-37 to known facts about pope..

 

[1christian1]

I agree the Papacy is the Man of Lawlessness. I would love to put our two heads together.

However, I must critique your lead off post. You put too much weight on what certain figures in the middle age believed.
Who are these people? And why should anyone be swayed by their opinions?
Saying , "Luther believed this", or "SDA founder proposed that", will not sway anyone.

We who believe and know the Papacy is the Man of Lawlessness must convey in the following manner:
- Through a consistent and rigorous scriptural analysis against the historical facts and documents of the pope and roman catholic church.

In my next post I will make a single detailed case in point by comparing Daniel 11:36-37 to known facts about pope..

Who is this pope that you are speaking of?

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Here is a single focused Case in Point:

Daniel 11: 36-37 vs. Facts and Documents of the Pope and Roman Catholic Church

Daniel 11:36 KJB
(a) And the king shall do according to his will; (b) and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, (c) and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, (d) and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

Comparison to Historical fact.
(a) Vatican I states:
we teach and define as a divinely revealed dogma that ■ when the Roman pontiff speaks EX CATHEDRA, ■ that is, when, 1. in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, 2. in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, 3. he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole church, ■ he possesses, ■ by the divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, ■ that infallibility which the divine Redeemer willed his church to enjoy in defining doctrine concerning faith or morals. ■ Therefore, such definitions of the Roman pontiff are of themselves, and not by the consent of the church, irreformable.

Scriputre prophesy (a) matches Vatican I in that Roman Pontiff does according to his will, and his will alone.

(b) Roman Pontiff accepts the title of Holy Father. Roman Pontiff accepts worship by accepting those to bow before him and kiss his feet or his hand or his ring. Roman Pontiff accepts prayers made to him, which is worship. Facts show that Roman Pontiff Exalts himself (as he has sole authority to define doctrine which is irreformable).

Scripture prophesy (b) matches Facts That Roman pontiff creates doctrines which exalt him to Holy Father (God) and accepter and receiver of Worship.

(c) being that Roman Pontiff decrees by his own authority all catholic doctrines which apply to all christians worldwide, He has decreed that Mary is the Mother of God. That it is Not Jesus who crushes the head of the serpent, but that it is Mary the Mother of God that crushes the head of the Serpent.

Scripture prophesy (c) matches Facts That Roman pontiff created doctrines that takes credit away from LORD Jesus the King of kings and the God of gods, for crushing the head of the serpent, and instead gives credit to Mary the Mother of God for accomplishing this.

(d) The Roman Pontiff has reigned for 1700 years and has only grown in power. The Roman Catholic Church is now a global, wealthy institution with it's own City/State called the Vatican. All evidence points to the fact that this institution will remain until Christ's Return.

Scripture prophesy (d) matches Fact That Roman pontiff has existed from the earliest centuries following Christ and will exist all the way until Christ returns.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Here is a single focused Case in Point:

Daniel 11: 36-37 vs. Facts and Documents of the Pope and Roman Catholic Church

Daniel 11:37 KJB
(x) Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: (z) for he shall magnify himself above all.

(x) Roman Pontiff declares himself Holy Father and regards not the God of Abraham, Isacc, and Jacob.
(x) Scriptural Prophesy matches Facts on Roman Pontiff

Roman Pontiff desires not women. For Roman Pontiffs are well-known for not marrying or having any relations with women.
Scriptural Prophesy is a phenomenal and undeniable match to the Fact that Roman Pontiffs are celibate and have no desire for women.

(z) Roman Pontiff declares himself supreme apostolic authority, sets all catholic dogma and doctrine, declares this applies to all the world's christians, and accepts worship and title of Holy Father.
(z) Scriptural Prophey matches Fact that Roman Pontiff exalts himself and declares himself to be God.

 

[1christian1]

Here is a single focused Case in Point:

Daniel 11: 36-37 vs. Facts and Documents of the Pope and Roman Catholic Church

Daniel 11:36 KJB
(a) And the king shall do according to his will; (b) and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, (c) and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, (d) and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

Comparison to Historical fact.
(a) Vatican I states:
we teach and define as a divinely revealed dogma that ■ when the Roman pontiff speaks EX CATHEDRA, ■ that is, when, 1. in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, 2. in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, 3. he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole church, ■ he possesses, ■ by the divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, ■ that infallibility which the divine Redeemer willed his church to enjoy in defining doctrine concerning faith or morals. ■ Therefore, such definitions of the Roman pontiff are of themselves, and not by the consent of the church, irreformable.

Scriputre prophesy (a) matches Vatican I in that Roman Pontiff does according to his will, and his will alone.

(b) Roman Pontiff accepts the title of Holy Father. Roman Pontiff accepts worship by accepting those to bow before him and kiss his feet or his hand or his ring. Roman Pontiff accepts prayers made to him, which is worship. Facts show that Roman Pontiff Exalts himself (as he has sole authority to define doctrine which is irreformable).

Scripture prophesy (b) matches Facts That Roman pontiff creates doctrines which exalt him to Holy Father (God) and accepter and receiver of Worship.

(c) being that Roman Pontiff decrees by his own authority all catholic doctrines which apply to all christians worldwide, He has decreed that Mary is the Mother of God. That it is Not Jesus who crushes the head of the serpent, but that it is Mary the Mother of God that crushes the head of the Serpent.

Scripture prophesy (c) matches Facts That Roman pontiff created doctrines that takes credit away from LORD Jesus the King of kings and the God of gods, for crushing the head of the serpent, and instead gives credit to Mary the Mother of God for accomplishing this.

(d) The Roman Pontiff has reigned for 1700 years and has only grown in power. The Roman Catholic Church is now a global, wealthy institution with it's own City/State called the Vatican. All evidence points to the fact that this institution will remain until Christ's Return.

Scripture prophesy (d) matches Fact That Roman pontiff has existed from the earliest centuries following Christ and will exist all the way until Christ returns.

Trump is'nt Catholic. And the Pope has absolutely nothing to any other religion other than Catholics. I don't understand how or what we do is any of your or anyone else affairs. Don't worry. Move on with your life.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Trump is'nt Catholic. And the Pope has absolutely nothing to any other religion other than Catholics. I don't understand how or what we do is any of your or anyone else affairs. Don't worry. Move on with your life.

Wrong! Catholic Church declares authority over all other christians.
Many other christian denominations pledge the Nicene Creed which is a pledge to allegiance to "One, Holy, CAtholic, and Apostolic Church."

Do You Say the Nicene Creed?

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Trump is'nt Catholic. And the Pope has absolutely nothing to any other religion other than Catholics. I don't understand how or what we do is any of your or anyone else affairs. Don't worry. Move on with your life.

Actually, there is no way to Open people's eyes to see that the Papacy is the Man of Lawlessness.

Even if you do a detailed analysis of Scripture to Historical Facts, THEY WONT READ IT. THEY WONT DISCUSS IT, THEY WONT CONSIDER IT.
They will just disregard it, discredit it, and mock it.

This is because we Cannot open their eyes to truth and understanding. Only God can do this.

Godspeed!!!!!

 

[1christian1]

Here is a single focused Case in Point:

Daniel 11: 36-37 vs. Facts and Documents of the Pope and Roman Catholic Church

Daniel 11:37 KJB
(x) Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: (z) for he shall magnify himself above all.

(x) Roman Pontiff declares himself Holy Father and regards not the God of Abraham, Isacc, and Jacob.
(x) Scriptural Prophesy matches Facts on Roman Pontiff

Roman Pontiff desires not women. For Roman Pontiffs are well-known for not marrying or having any relations with women.
Scriptural Prophesy is a phenomenal and undeniable match to the Fact that Roman Pontiffs are celibate and have no desire for women.

(z) Roman Pontiff declares himself supreme apostolic authority, sets all catholic dogma and doctrine, declares this applies to all the world's christians, and accepts worship and title of Holy Father.
(z) Scriptural Prophey matches Fact that Roman Pontiff exalts himself and declares himself to be God.

Who declares themselves what? Do you know anything about Catholics? Have you ever heard the Pope speak? He is all about love and unity in Christ. The only "thing " that the Pope Declares himself is a servant of God... The only advise I can give you is to get on your knees and pray for the answer... This Worked for me . God bless...

 

[1christian1]

Wrong! Catholic Church declares authority over all other christians.
Many other christian denominations pledge the Nicene Creed which is a pledge to allegiance to "One, Holy, CAtholic, and Apostolic Church."

Do You Say the Nicene Creed?

You are confused. The word Catholic in Latin Means " Universal" Their is know translation that includes the word "Declares"

 

[1christian1]

Actually, there is no way to Open people's eyes to see that the Papacy is the Man of Lawlessness.

Even if you do a detailed analysis of Scripture to Historical Facts, THEY WONT READ IT. THEY WONT DISCUSS IT, THEY WONT CONSIDER IT.
They will just disregard it, discredit it, and mock it.

This is because we Cannot open their eyes to truth and understanding. Only God can do this.

Godspeed!!!!!

You've stolen a couple of quotes out of the Bible. Theorists have been dissecting every word of the Bible for 2 thousand year's. And I should listen to you because of what exactly?