1 Peter 3:19-20 and 1 Peter 4:6 different interpretations.

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I have dyslexia. Could you please retype post #139? I don't know what your asking. There seems to be a word or 2 missing between "Gentiles" and "heard"
. Psalm 68:18"Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the Lord God might dwell among them."
 

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. Psalm 68:18"Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the Lord God might dwell among them."
Yes, you've already posted this.
But why are you highlighting that phrase... What does it have to do with Ephesians 4:8?
 

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But see this verse is contrary to what you say... Psalm 68:18"Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the Lord God might dwell among them."
I understand that you're saying that its contradicting what I am saying. But I'm asking you to explain:
1. How does that contradict what I said?
2. Why did you highlight that phrase?
3. What does that phrase have to do with Ephesians 4:8?
 
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I may come to agree that these were fallen angels who sinned who attempted to defiling the Messianic blood line by taking human women as wives and corrupting mankind, which was the reason for the flood of Noah's time. But more thing I want to emphasize the reason I made this thread. How these angels possible them to mingle with normal persons and even to have sex with them;

1.) That these fallen angels were undergone physical birth, not possessing the other bodies of humans. I do not believe that they just only possessed human body to produce their children Nephilims. Can they make their very own sperm cell or DNA by the direct possessing to other human bodies?? Certainly not.

2.) That the possible bloodline of these fallen angels who became humans(Nephilim) are from the line of Cain belong to the ”serpent seed”.

3.) That this Nephilims may not started during Noah’s time but started from the offspring of Cain.

4.) That there may a truth of Darwin theory that human species originate from an ape, this may true to the line of Cain.

5.) That these fallen angels were spirits in prison is different from those fallen angels and satan himself who still gone astray have no chance for salvation.

ANYBODY WHO CAN REFUTE ANY OF MY STATEMENTS HERE ARE VERY WELCOME.
 

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The gospel was preached in the Old Testament. The church and grace existed long before Christ came, Christ was in the church in the wilderness.

The only reason the Old Testament saints were in Abraham's bosom was to wait for Christ to come and pay for their sins. They looked forward to the coming of Christ, we look back at it.
The GOSPEL was hidden until the fullness of time had come...the prophets did not fully understand what they were pointing to when they prophecied...they did not understand that they could not be made perfect without us...this generation, sir...the generation who benefitted because the fullness of time had come...
I may come to agree that these were fallen angels who sinned who attempted to defiling the Messianic blood line by taking human women as wives and corrupting mankind, which was the reason for the flood of Noah's time. But more thing I want to emphasize the reason I made this thread. How these angels possible them to mingle with normal persons and even to have sex with them;

1.) That these fallen angels were undergone physical birth, not possessing the other bodies of humans. I do not believe that they just only possessed human body to produce their children Nephilims. Can they make their very own sperm cell or DNA by the direct possessing to other human bodies?? Certainly not.

2.) That the possible bloodline of these fallen angels who became humans(Nephilim) are from the line of Cain belong to the ”serpent seed”.

3.) That this Nephilims may not started during Noah’s time but started from the offspring of Cain.

4.) That there may a truth of Darwin theory that human species originate from an ape, this may true to the line of Cain.

5.) That these fallen angels were spirits in prison is different from those fallen angels and satan himself who still gone astray have no chance for salvation.

ANYBODY WHO CAN REFUTE ANY OF MY STATEMENTS HERE ARE VERY WELCOME.
No. These fallen angels are fallen. Hell is reserved for them.

And this new information, two sides of Hades? No, I do not agree with that either

What was proclaimed was the GOSPEL..to both those waiting for the promise, as well as the rebellious who had no understanding.
 

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Which is why they will stand in the judgment and condemn this generation of unbelievers.
 
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No. These fallen angels are fallen. Hell is reserved for them.

And this new information, two sides of Hades? No, I do not agree with that either

What was proclaimed was the GOSPEL..to both those waiting for the promise, as well as the rebellious who had no understanding.
"Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the Lord God might dwell among them." -Psalm 68:18se

But how about these fallen angels that became humans(as Nephilims).
Humans are entitled for redemption. will you agree miknik5?
 

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"Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the Lord God might dwell among them." -Psalm 68:18se

But how about these fallen angels that became humans(as Nephilims).
Humans are entitled for redemption. will you agree miknik5?
The rebellious are NOT fallen angels...
 

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I can´t make a comment on the Nephillum...I do not believe that they were a creation that GOD had a part in
 
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I can´t make a comment on the Nephillum...I do not believe that they were a creation that GOD had a part in
According to "serpent seed' doctrine, even Cain is the fruit of the serpent still God did not deny that Cain is part His creation, as Eve says "I got a child from the Lord".
 
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I can´t make a comment on the Nephillum...I do not believe that they were a creation that GOD had a part in
According to "serpent seed' doctrine, even Cain is the fruit of the serpent still God did not deny that Cain is part of His creation, as Eve says "I got a child from the Lord".
 
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"Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the Lord God might dwell among them." -Psalm 68:18se

But how about these fallen angels that became humans(as Nephilims).
Humans are entitled for redemption. will you agree miknik5?
I’ve looked into Ephesians 4:8 and the quote in that verse doesn’t seem to line up with Psalm 68:18 in that in psalm 68:18 it says received gift from men and in Eph 4:8 it says gave gift to men. something isn’t lining up here in Eph 4:8

Ephesians 4:8
This is why it says: "When He ascended on high, He led captives away, and gave gifts to men."

Psalm 68:18
You have ascended on high; You have led captives away. You have received gifts from men, even from the rebellious, that the LORD God may dwell there.

the leading away the captive could of been the leading away from Egypt the wilderness journey.

But it appears as a misquote in Eph 4:8 on who gave gifts
 
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I can´t make a comment on the Nephillum...I do not believe that they were a creation that GOD had a part in
"The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled." -Genesis 6:6

According to "serpent seed' doctrine, even Cain is the fruit of the serpent still God did not deny that Cain is part of His creation, as Eve says "I got a child from the Lord".
 

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Sorry about that above post which included a post to KJV which I had not intended to post. This
"When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people." -Ephesians 4:8
Who are these captives?
Those who had died prior to the fullness of time.
 

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"The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled." -Genesis 6:6

According to "serpent seed' doctrine, even Cain is the fruit of the serpent still God did not deny that Cain is part of His creation, as Eve says "I got a child from the Lord".
I don´t know a serpent seed doctrine...I know the perishable seed doctrine of Adam
 

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If there even is a serpent seed, as you suggest sir...then this is outside the pattern of the first man Adam who was of flesh...and the second man Adam who became for the CHILDREN who were of flesh...a LIFE GIVING SPIRIT...

That would mean the serpent seed does NOT fit in this pattern
 
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I’ve looked into Ephesians 4:8 and the quote in that verse doesn’t seem to line up with Psalm 68:18 in that in psalm 68:18 it says received gift from men and in Eph 4:8 it says gave gift to men. something isn’t lining up here in Eph 4:8

Ephesians 4:8
This is why it says: "When He ascended on high, He led captives away, and gave gifts to men."

Psalm 68:18
You have ascended on high; You have led captives away. You have received gifts from men, even from the rebellious, that the LORD God may dwell there.

the leading away the captive could of been the leading away from Egypt the wilderness journey.

But it appears as a misquote in Eph 4:8 on who gave gifts
Ahh I’ve found the issue with this it’s in the translations, I will have to say this is where the KJV is superior to most others, the Aramaic in plain English and the New Heart English Bible are the only other ones that line up.
 

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"The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled." -Genesis 6:6

According to "serpent seed' doctrine, even Cain is the fruit of the serpent still God did not deny that Cain is part of His creation, as Eve says "I got a child from the Lord".
Thank you for at least stating the LORD regretted that HE had made...HUMAN BEINGS