Both come from the same place. Free will salvation based on works. The WoF teacher who I mention killed over 100 people including himself said "you are healed" or "provided for" the same way you are saved. "All of God's promises are based on choosing to meet the condition of faith". This told me many who think they are saved are no more saved than these were healed.
The word of faith and the gifts
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Many are being seduced by demon spirits, by believing that the Cross (the Blood of Jesus) is not needful in these last days of the church age; or the real religious people want to add Christian disciplines to the Cross (the Blood of Jesus). Their names are being blotted out the "Book of Life."
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WOF gives a false pride teaching. Saying that you can be the source of Christ's work the Master that he works in us. It comes from the idea of "sign gifts" .self edifying something the bible informs us to be aware of.not to be confused with spirutl gifts. Spiritual gifts are a work of His spirt in us that work from within. It becomes another kind of wisdom not generated by the exclusive faith as it is written. But one of personal desire spent like a credit card .
Ecclesiastics 7 comes to mind. It makes a excellent commentary (no one knows what will happen in the future.) exposes the WOF . Its not one day at a time but pray without ceasing. Like the Hymn. . "We need Thee every Hour . It is now we need the blessing
Wisdom is better if you also have property. Wise people will get more than enough wealth. Wisdom and money can protect you. But knowledge gained through wisdom is even better—it can save your life. Look at what God has made. You cannot change a thing, even if you think it is wrong. When life is good, enjoy it. But when life is hard, remember that God gives us good times and hard times. And no one knows what will happen in the future. Ecclesiastics 7 ;11-12
Ecclesiastics 7 comes to mind. It makes a excellent commentary (no one knows what will happen in the future.) exposes the WOF . Its not one day at a time but pray without ceasing. Like the Hymn. . "We need Thee every Hour . It is now we need the blessing
Wisdom is better if you also have property. Wise people will get more than enough wealth. Wisdom and money can protect you. But knowledge gained through wisdom is even better—it can save your life. Look at what God has made. You cannot change a thing, even if you think it is wrong. When life is good, enjoy it. But when life is hard, remember that God gives us good times and hard times. And no one knows what will happen in the future. Ecclesiastics 7 ;11-12
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Well I won't lie I think as a pastor I might be good at it but the thing is firstly I have no idea what you even do to become one and I know you have to meet certain specifics to even be one in a church. But I also know that I still have much to learn and to grow in as a believer so while this seems out of reach at the moment I know that if we seek after him first everything will fall into place
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The Holy Spirit, Works strictly within the parameters of the "Finished Work" i.e., "the Cross of Christ", which demands that our Faith be exclusively in the Cross of Christ. The reason is simple, that's were the price was paid, and the victory was forever won (Romans 6:1-14; 1 Cor. 2:2; Gal. 5; Gal. 6:14; Eph. 2:13-18; Col. 2:14-15).
The Way Of The Spirit
Focus: The Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6)
Object Of Faith: The Cross of Christ (Romans 6:1-14)
Power Source: The Holy Spirit (Romans 8:1-2, 11)
Results: Victory (Romans 6:14)
Man's Way
Focus: Works.
Object Of Faith: Performance.
Power Source: Self.
Results: Defeat!
The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)...the only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27). The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23). If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).
Most modern Christians simply do not know how to live for God; consequently, they make the attempt in all the wrong ways, which results in the words of the Apostle Paul being fulfilled in their lives, “O wretched man that I am . . .” (Rom. 7:24). Living for the Lord can be carried out successfully in only one way, and that is by the Believer understanding that everything we receive from the Lord comes to us exclusively through Christ as the Source and the Cross as the Means.
The Way Of The Spirit
Focus: The Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6)
Object Of Faith: The Cross of Christ (Romans 6:1-14)
Power Source: The Holy Spirit (Romans 8:1-2, 11)
Results: Victory (Romans 6:14)
Man's Way
Focus: Works.
Object Of Faith: Performance.
Power Source: Self.
Results: Defeat!
The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)...the only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27). The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23). If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).
Most modern Christians simply do not know how to live for God; consequently, they make the attempt in all the wrong ways, which results in the words of the Apostle Paul being fulfilled in their lives, “O wretched man that I am . . .” (Rom. 7:24). Living for the Lord can be carried out successfully in only one way, and that is by the Believer understanding that everything we receive from the Lord comes to us exclusively through Christ as the Source and the Cross as the Means.
So fave is the wof movement the root cause of your view on the gifts and the way they are used for his service? Because if so then now I understand why you aree so against them and why I couldn't reason with you.
I have seen far to much damage done by so called christians in my short time of being saved and the severity of the damage is insane and yet it continues. I know the inner damage from so called christians all to well
I have seen far to much damage done by so called christians in my short time of being saved and the severity of the damage is insane and yet it continues. I know the inner damage from so called christians all to well
While I do agree and sadly the damage this group seems to do to others is very rapid I want to ask you do you think that there is validation to having that kind of faith?
I mean God is not a genie and anything asked with faith has to be according to his will but if you had that kind of faith what would you use it for?
I mean God is not a genie and anything asked with faith has to be according to his will but if you had that kind of faith what would you use it for?
You have to sell your arm and a leg lol. Just kidding. My Pastor had to get a degree, then a professional mental evaluation, then work at a small backcountry church, and then he was trusted with our church which holds 200+ people. He is mentally evaluated every few years and voted on by a board.
Basically some denominations/churches have gotten very political. While some churches just want experience. I would seek out opportunities to preach or teach a subject. Maybe volunteer for your pastor and see what they say.
Sometimes it takes finding a mentor.
Or if you find like minded Christians with the fire to spread the Word then start your own church.
Basically some denominations/churches have gotten very political. While some churches just want experience. I would seek out opportunities to preach or teach a subject. Maybe volunteer for your pastor and see what they say.
Sometimes it takes finding a mentor.
Or if you find like minded Christians with the fire to spread the Word then start your own church.
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Yeah see that is my main obstacle. I can't even afford to go to collage let alone be able to get a degree and even then I don't have that kind of mental capacity it is difficult for me to remember and maintain information I even have to look up scripture when it is posted most of the time and I am not exactly a thinker I speak what God places on my heart to speak. I would fail any mental test as I have severe brain damage and anyone who meets me confuses me with a child because not only do I look like one but my personality and all around aura pretty much screams innocence and childlike. Granted most elderly people adore me because of this but with all this alone I could never hope to get a degree to become a pastor.
When I was able to go to church I prefered to go to the elderly group and adult bible study classes and they would always act so astonished at the wisdom and insight I had in everything as if I could take any credit but that is where I was told I should be a teacher. But like you said it isn't like in the old days with the apostles everything is degree and legalized.
But in the time I felt called to stand in front of people and speak the words just flowed and both times the entire congregation was in tears and applause. But rarely ever am I presented with such a situation and I am very limited to where I can go as I have to walk everywhere
When I was able to go to church I prefered to go to the elderly group and adult bible study classes and they would always act so astonished at the wisdom and insight I had in everything as if I could take any credit but that is where I was told I should be a teacher. But like you said it isn't like in the old days with the apostles everything is degree and legalized.
But in the time I felt called to stand in front of people and speak the words just flowed and both times the entire congregation was in tears and applause. But rarely ever am I presented with such a situation and I am very limited to where I can go as I have to walk everywhere
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I can see the intentions behind such attempts to create well educated, mentally stable, and experienced pastors but this was mostly done through discipleship. Think of Timothy and Paul.
Unfortunately many churches feel like they need such restrictions due to past events where pastors failed.
Same as you though I dont have the money or time to get a degree. Most Pastors say it is a waste of time and money anyways due to how secular many theology colleges have gotten.
So for most people you have to let your pastor know and see what ways they can help.
Unfortunately many churches feel like they need such restrictions due to past events where pastors failed.
Same as you though I dont have the money or time to get a degree. Most Pastors say it is a waste of time and money anyways due to how secular many theology colleges have gotten.
So for most people you have to let your pastor know and see what ways they can help.
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