Women Equality

[Roughsoul1991]

There is a gender pay gap, if you are talking equal pay for equal work. But in most cases, it is men who are underpaid.

Feminism is a big lie. It's not about equality, or women, its about men and women who push the goals of Communism/Fascism/the NWO. If it wasn't, stay at home mums and mothers wouldn't have been left behind.

I agree with most of your comment but do you have evidence that men are the ones who are underpaid?

 

[Hungry]

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In governing a nation are you saying that equality isnt even a consideration. Different roles doesn't mean equality is just absent in all areas of societal structure.

True functioning government doesn’t have equality. One business owner employs 1000 workers. Within that business there is 5 executives each overseeing 10 managers. Each manager oversees 10 foreman. The foreman oversee the grunts. Each person has a role but not all are equal. If a grunt screws up it may cost the company 100s of dollars. If an executive screws up it will cost the company millions. This is structure. It’s based on ability not equality. The company needs each of these levels to operate efficiently. Society is full of these substructures. From the highest of government right down to the family. While one parent is focussed outside the home at their vocation, the other is at home managing the estate. If both parents are working then the estate is poorly ran, and the children mismanaged. One family = one company. It’s a unit requiring a hierarchy. God designed men to be more suited outside of the home and women for child rearing and nesting. Even if a man is a grunt for 8-10 hrs a day, at least he will have s nice ordered home to return to. The wife should be esteemed and celebrated just like a boss would do to an effective executive. I love to do a good job for my boss. When the company gets a good reputation I can take pride in that. I am part of that company, but not equal to my boss.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

True functioning government doesn’t have equality. One business owner employs 1000 workers. Within that business there is 5 executives each overseeing 10 managers. Each manager oversees 10 foreman. The foreman oversee the grunts. Each person has a role but not all are equal. If a grunt screws up it may cost the company 100s of dollars. If an executive screws up it will cost the company millions. This is structure. It’s based on ability not equality. The company needs each of these levels to operate efficiently. Society is full of these substructures. From the highest of government right down to the family. While one parent is focussed outside the home at their vocation, the other is at home managing the estate. If both parents are working then the estate is poorly ran, and the children mismanaged. One family = one company. It’s a unit requiring a hierarchy. God designed men to be more suited outside of the home and women for child rearing and nesting. Even if a man is a grunt for 8-10 hrs a day, at least he will have s nice ordered home to return to. The wife should be esteemed and celebrated just like a boss would do to an effective executive. I love to do a good job for my boss. When the company gets a good reputation I can take pride in that. I am part of that company, but not equal to my boss.

So this is how through your Biblical worldview, you would design government around the gender roles? Keep in mind men and women can be equal in different areas. For example I dont see a problem with both voting.

 

[Moses_Young]

I agree with most of your comment but do you have evidence that men are the ones who are underpaid?

I already gave that example. Take out all the paid leave that females get, and they will be on close to double that of men.

For example: Man gets 50,000 per year, for 2500 hours. Woman gets 45,000 per year, but only works 1000 hours, because she is on maternity leave for 6 months, then works shorter hours because she needs to leave early to look after the baby.

A superficial glance would indicate the woman is paid less, but the real rate of pay of the man is $20/h, while the real rate of the woman is $45/h. She gets more than double what he does. Even if she returns to work at the same rate of pay and works the same hours as the man (which would be an unusual expectation on a mother), she still will be ahead up to 6 years later. And that's if she only takes 6 months paid leave. More leave = more benefit.

This doesn't take into account that in many higher-paid jobs, the top performing men are more productive (on a time basis) than most (not all) women, although its also likely true that the worst performing men are less productive (on a time basis) than most women.

 

[EleventhHour]

An employer should offer beginning pay based on what the job requires, not on who fills it; that way it is completely ungendered. If the job requires lifting of 100 pounds, and an applicant (regardless of gender) can't do that, he/she should not get the job. If the applicant can meet the basic requirements, then he/she should be considered, but should not get the job just because he/she is a particular gender. Any increases in pay are between the employer and employee, but should be based on a consistent standard that is again ungendered.

As for the parable, it is irrelevant to your example. It is talking about God's offer of salvation being the same for all, not about "equal pay".

I think this pretty much closes the discussion.
No need for conspiracies and the blame game.
Seems pretty straightforward to me.
A completely biblical world view
Thank you!!

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I already gave that example. Take out all the paid leave that females get, and they will be on close to double that of men.

For example: Man gets 50,000 per year, for 2500 hours. Woman gets 45,000 per year, but only works 1000 hours, because she is on maternity leave for 6 months, then works shorter hours because she needs to leave early to look after the baby.

A superficial glance would indicate the woman is paid less, but the real rate of pay of the man is $20/h, while the real rate of the woman is $45/h. She gets more than double what he does. Even if she returns to work at the same rate of pay and works the same hours as the man (which would be an unusual expectation on a mother), she still will be ahead up to 6 years later. And that's if she only takes 6 months paid leave. More leave = more benefit.

This doesn't take into account that in many higher-paid jobs, the top performing men are more productive (on a time basis) than most (not all) women, although its also likely true that the worst performing men are less productive (on a time basis) than most women.

By average women have 2 kids. It isnt like maternity leave happens all the time. I obviously didn't receive maternity leave but when I was out of work due to my back ( not job related) I still got paid for 2 months due to job benefits. I believe there is a balance.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I think this pretty much closes the discussion.
No need for conspiracies and the blame game.
Seems pretty straightforward to me.
A completely biblical world view
Thank you!!

Discussions are harmless. It can enlighten others, teach, correct, or bring different perspectives.

 

[EleventhHour]

Discussions are harmless. It can enlighten others, teach, correct, or bring different perspectives.

Sometimes, but not always.

Generalities, conspiracy however kinda go round in circles... and people use topics like this to vent all their own issues around genders.
The church needs to deal with its own issues, I see no point blaming the world for problems in the church.
That is backwards to me.

 

[presidente]

I do not consider it wicked for a nation to have:

-- All or primarily male governmental leaders.
-- Only men voting.
-- A monarchy with no men or women voting.

We shouldn't assume that God's whole intention for humanity was to bring it to the point of liberal democracy, when He works through other types of governments in scripture, and we do not see any kind of endorsement of Democracy.

 

[Hungry]

So this is how through your Biblical worldview, you would design government around the gender roles? Keep in mind men and women can be equal in different areas. For example I dont see a problem with both voting.

I would argue neither should vote. It’s all an illusion anyways. Do you have the right to vote your boss in?

 

[kaylagrl]

I do not consider it wicked for a nation to have:

-- All or primarily male governmental leaders.
-- Only men voting.
-- A monarchy with no men or women voting.

We shouldn't assume that God's whole intention for humanity was to bring it to the point of liberal democracy, when He works through other types of governments in scripture, and we do not see any kind of endorsement of Democracy.

We're not living in a theocracy and it's not possible in the US. Nor is possible not to have women vote. Too many women are single or divorced and rely on no men. They have a right to be represented. Monarchy was given to the Jews because it was what they wanted, not because it was what God wanted. So no a monarchy is no good either, no different than having a president.

 

[kaylagrl]

I would argue neither should vote. It’s all an illusion anyways. Do you have the right to vote your boss in?

Voting gives people a voice, don't think so, look at who is president. People decided they didn't want socialism in this country and they stood up and decidedly stopped it. Which I hope they will do again this year.

 

[DiscipleA]

1 Timothy 2:12 was mentioned. I don't know if giving women the right to vote would be considered giving the women any authority over a man. Verse 14 seems to imply that the serpent chose to deceive the woman because it was shrewd in knowing that the woman would be more easily deceived than the man. It wouldn't be good to put the person more easily persuadable in power.

I feel like the feminist movement is more about favoring women over men than about equality. They even get men on their side by saying its for equality when it's not. At least it hasn't been.

I think some feminists claims are as twisted as the media. They can go online and find 100 surveys that show men and women get paid the same, but they'll use the five surveys they found as "proof" that women get paid less than men. Any of the individual surveys can be altered. Men get prejudiced against too. I just want whats good and fair for everyone.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Sometimes, but not always.

Generalities, conspiracy however kinda go round in circles... and people use topics like this to vent all their own issues around genders.
The church needs to deal with its own issues, I see no point blaming the world for problems in the church.
That is backwards to me.

No one was making a conspiracy claim but only discussing the topic.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I would argue neither should vote. It’s all an illusion anyways. Do you have the right to vote your boss in?

I still believe so. All the odds was against who I voted for and he still won. I haven't lost that much hope. Yet.

 

[Hungry]

Voting gives people a voice, don't think so, look at who is president. People decided they didn't want socialism in this country and they stood up and decidedly stopped it. Which I hope they will do again this year.

Do you think out of all the people in the United States, Donald Trump is the best qualified to be president? The democratic process only works if you have the opportunity to choose the best candidate to represent the people, not the best of worst to represent corporate America. It’s rigged. Do you want this idiot, or this sociopath? Go ahead and choose. This is a democracy,

 

[kaylagrl]

Do you think out of all the people in the United States, Donald Trump is the best qualified to be president? The democratic process only works if you have the opportunity to choose the best candidate to represent the people, not the best of worst to represent corporate America. It’s rigged. Do you want this idiot, or this sociopath? Go ahead and choose. This is a democracy,

Yes, at this time I believe he is the best candidate. And not the best of the worst. It's not rigged, if it was Hillary would be in the WH right now.

 

[Hungry]

Yes, at this time I believe he is the best candidate. And not the best of the worst. It's not rigged, if it was Hillary would be in the WH right now.

Honestly, you think nobody in America could do as good of job as Donald Trump...nobody....really?

 

[Gregoryp]

read the bible, its all there to be studied. Your welcome.

 

[kaylagrl]

Honestly, you think nobody in America could do as good of job as Donald Trump...nobody....really?

Maybe, maybe not. But we have to run the country and have someone in place to do that. You can't choose anyone, just those who are running. If they aren't running and they have better ideas why aren't they running and doing their duty for the country? He's the best for this time in history.